India’s long submarine journey: What went wrong and the plan ahead

[Nimble]

Most likely fake news from Hindu media.

China won't let India to overwhelm even in naval advantage.

China has so far launched 5 SSN boats in the first 5 months of this year.

China will soon mass deploy the 10,000+ tons Type 095 and Type 09X, but we still have unused production capacity for the Type 093B.

Previously, we might decide to equip 20-30 Type 093B, but with both Type 095 and even more advanced Type 09X in the corner to be mass produced, and we only need to deploy 12-15 Type 093B, but the remaining unused capacity should be ready for export.

Pakistan will very likely be the first recipient as India is still clinging to revenge for its failed operation Sindoor.

Check the source ChineseMonkey1986

 

[harpy1]

Can we Pakistanis like Tiger
Pretending to be Chinese when they are Pakistani
STOP comparing china to India
Be it nuke subs or manufacturinh or fifth generation fighters or economic growth

China is a super power ..And there's only two ...in the world period

India had 20% of china Gdp and=Forex ...it's ridiculous comparison

India has three operational nukes
One more Arihant arriving soon

The Indians are now planning bigger nuke subs at 13k tonnes to build the next generation bit these are not coming until decades time maybe longer

USA and China are already there

Hence stop the comparison

Also stop comparing Pakistan who had 10% of Indian resources to India
You can't compete with India in anything really

But you can made to order equipment like ordering a meal
From.china who delivers quickly and efficiently..That is a huge advantage with soft loans

This keeps in a competition with India but only just otherwise you are no where near a rival

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Check the source ChineseMonkey1986

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[SilentWatch]

ASW from small navies like pak has zero effect, indian nuclear subs have near infinite range, spend months in continuious patrol and have missiles with 1000s of km range...and increasing.... They can movie to arctic or jamaica and wait thrre to get ordees to shoot.pak navy cant even patrol immedeate areas well.

This is a joke thread.

Come one bro... next sindoor round 2 swim your 2nd strike to Australia for all I care... A2/AD matters more, who knows the under water tunnels and trenches in the silent service.

your P8 fleets need to find and go outside of PL15 ranges + SAM missile boats, no?

 

[Hayabusa]

The

You would think Indians would have learned their lesson

But these guys are more delusional then ever

They are. They haven't realised that warfare is not based on a single particular equipment but a unison of all your equipments working together.

Pakistan may not have equipments that are better 1v1 on paper against India. But they definitely have synergy between them.

For all you know, their P-8s will be shot down by JF-17 before they can even track the submarines.

 

[Nimble]

Not to menti

China has the capacity to build Type 1,2,3,4,5 but from where are you going to get trained people for it ? it will take time, even with all those Types are large vessels the only reason China doesn't ventures outside of Chinese Sea is its ill-trained sailors and their inexperience which will make them laughing stock infront of others. Due to large and quick inductions unlike Army, Navy struggles with trained & experienced manpower and that's the reason send small well trained batch for long patrols outside Chinese Sea.







Japan's JDF knows that they can tame Chinese PLA force with their present capability and the day they feel threatened they will start with moving from Defensive to Offensive force and then to Nuclear.

China also doesn't want that to happen because they know the day Japan go towards Nuclear, Korea, Australia will also go Nuclear.

Not to mention for highly devolved countries like Japan, South Korea making nuclear weapons is weeks long job....

 

[SilentWatch]

for past 30 years IN's submarine procurement is quite outrageous, but it seems if everything's goes as planned, from 2030 onwards IN will be inducting indigenous SSK, SSN & SSBN's simultaneously. this will be over the planned purchase of P-75 & P-75Is.

Dont forget the Tejas Mk 10
AMCA Mk1A rollout
PINAKA v3
Kaveri v1 in mass production and v2 in design for 6th Gen Tejas Modi Prime in special saffron camo, with a mini-auto coconut cannon...

Wont you be proud of your neighbour being the next after china and US to find 2 5th gen fighters (J35 + Kaan) and indigenous unmanned teammate? Fun times are ahead...

 

[peacemaker99]

The

They are. They haven't realised that warfare is not based on a single particular equipment but a unison of all your equipments working together.

Pakistan may not have equipments that are better 1v1 on paper against India. But they definitely have synergy between them.

For all you know, their P-8s will be shot down by JF-17 before they can even track the submarines.

'Unison of equipment'....pakistan....

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

From a geopolitical perspective, China will arm Pakistan with the fast-attack nuclear submarines.

Because India acquires its nuclear submarine technology primarily from Russia for the purpose of keep China in check.

Once the democrats are back in office in 2029, they will very likely mend its tie with India and resume its role as an anti-China watchdog.

It will be a nuisance for an anti-China country like India always attempt to backstab China with its nuclear submarine being supported by both US and Russia.

The best counterattack is to support Pakistan nuclear submarine program.

I initially assumed it gonna be the Type 041 because this mini nuclear sub was proposed in the 2010s when China had a huge disadvantage in its nuclear sub fleet compared to the USN, and Type 041 was conceived as a type of a symmetric warfare against the US sub fleet in number.

Now China decides to go full fleet of 10,000+ tons giant SSN like the Type 095 and Type 09X, even the Type 093B will be treated like the Type 054A.

China in the early 2020s did plan to build more than 30 hulls of the Type 093B to counter the the Virginia class.

Now the unwanted Type 093B could be served as export to its strategic allies.

 

[harpy1]

From a geopolitical perspective, China will arm Pakistan with the fast-attack nuclear submarines.

Because India acquires its nuclear submarine technology primarily from Russia for the purpose of keep China in check.

Once the democrats are back in office in 2029, they will very likely mend its tie with India and resume its role as an anti-China watchdog.

It will be a nuisance for an anti-China country like India always attempt to backstab China with its nuclear submarine being supported by both US and Russia.

The best counterattack is to support Pakistan nuclear submarine program.

I initially assumed it gonna be the Type 041 because this mini nuclear sub was proposed in the 2010s when China had a huge disadvantage in its nuclear sub fleet compared to the USN, and Type 041 was conceived as a type of a symmetric warfare against the US sub fleet in number.

Now China decides to go full fleet of 10,000+ tons giant SSN like the Type 095 and Type 09X, even the Type 093B will be treated like the Type 054A.

China in the early 2020s did plan to build more than 30 hulls of the Type 093B to counter the the Virginia class.

Now the unwanted Type 093B could be served as export to its strategic allies.

You need to get out of this mindset that china will give you what you desire
China thankfully does not see India as a rival any.more
Only USA is it's genuine rival

Your on your own versis India
Saudi Turkey islamic NATO
Or china are not going to equip or arm you to fight India

Everything you get will.be business only transactions

It will NOT be free aid like USA gives Israel to fight Arabs or NATO gives Ukraine

China this ...china that .china will .

Nothing .
You will be sold subs or missles and planes as business not to keep india in check as china sees India as no threat anymore

And the kicker on my point your
ability to buy... acquire ..absorb chinease weapons is limited to your ability to finance or maintain loan payments

This is why you have only
20 J10 not 100 that you desire
Frigates only rather than the type 52d destroyers which china builds in dozens each year
No nuke subs despite your claim they build them like hot cakes

You get the export stuff on soft loans only

 

[harpy1]

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For those ignorant fools who think building a nuclear powered submarine is child's play

It's the pinnacle of technology prowess
As is space rockets sending satalites
Or building
Aircrafts carriers

Like I said there are two super powers
Then the likes of India France UK Germany Japan Turkey Israel South Korea etc ...middle powers

Then the rest who simply order at the dinner tables

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

1999: India finalised the 30-Year plan to build 24 submarines by 2030.

2026: India has built only 6.

India currently has 3 Russian SSBNs on lease, 10 obsolete submarines nearing decommissioning, and only 6 sea worthy for the foreseeable future.

Correction to my earlier post. Three that are leased are SSN and not SSBNs.

 

[peacemaker99]

From a geopolitical perspective, China will arm Pakistan with the fast-attack nuclear submarines.

Because India acquires its nuclear submarine technology primarily from Russia for the purpose of keep China in check.

Once the democrats are back in office in 2029, they will very likely mend its tie with India and resume its role as an anti-China watchdog.

It will be a nuisance for an anti-China country like India always attempt to backstab China with its nuclear submarine being supported by both US and Russia.

The best counterattack is to support Pakistan nuclear submarine program.

I initially assumed it gonna be the Type 041 because this mini nuclear sub was proposed in the 2010s when China had a huge disadvantage in its nuclear sub fleet compared to the USN, and Type 041 was conceived as a type of a symmetric warfare against the US sub fleet in number.

Now China decides to go full fleet of 10,000+ tons giant SSN like the Type 095 and Type 09X, even the Type 093B will be treated like the Type 054A.

China in the early 2020s did plan to build more than 30 hulls of the Type 093B to counter the the Virginia class.

Now the unwanted Type 093B could be served as export to its strategic allies.

China has already rejected pak request for nuke submarines. Costs a billion dollars each and millions more to maintain. Pak doesnt have money or capabilityfor either,

 

[peacemaker99]

Correction to my earlier post. Three that are leased are SSN and not SSBNs.

India has 3 SSBN

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Regardless it is true or false, if India has plan to mass produce its nuclear submarines, ...

They always have plans but not the capability.

In 1999, they finalised plans to build 24 submarines by 2030 but they have built only 6.

The same story with their LCA Flying Rickshaw.