Indus Valley Civilisation is largest source of ancestry for South Asians

[r3alist]

If it can be established that Brahui are ancient inhabitants which is likely then there is 90% chance IVC language was dravidian.

So much incomplete data and narrative but huge conclusions

 

[kambhakt]

Google is your friend.

That is internet speak for "I am just making things up and have nothing to back it up."

 

[FuturePAF]

That'll be ironic when the genetic data is from the remains found in Rakhigarhi in India.

If you truly want to short circuit the brain of some people do mention the Hindu history of the region, see how quickly they jump to "Buddha" or they argue the past is irrelevant. All this talk amounts to nothing.

Aryans and caste system is off by at least a thousand years. It was mostly an administrative system.

That’s not what the researcher and his genetic data says. The caste system was codified into a racial apartheid.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

That’s not what the researcher and his genetic data says. The caste system was codified into a racial apartheid.

Which Geneticist? Your knowledge on the subject matter is pathetic. Ror community in India has one of the highest steppe DNA mix in the entire subcontinent and they are OBCs (Other Backward Communities) a status slightly above Dalits.

Take this, the peak Steppe Aryan.

 

[Musings]

Which Geneticist? Your knowledge on the subject matter is pathetic. Ror community in India has one of the highest steppe DNA mix in the entire subcontinent and they are OBCs (Other Backward Communities) a status slightly above Dalits.

Take this, the peak Steppe Aryan. View attachment 66748

Start respecting fellow members.
By putting a pic of some random Indian with a medal doesn’t give your point anymore merit.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Which Geneticist? Your knowledge on the subject matter is pathetic. Ror community in India has one of the highest steppe DNA mix in the entire subcontinent and they are OBCs (Other Backward Communities) a status slightly above Dalits.

Take this, the peak Steppe Aryan. View attachment 66748

OBC is free ticket to reservations and jobs. Ror is land owning caste. Not really "dalit". They will obviously look like their neighbours after thousands of years.

 

[nahtanbob]

This is a better more cute attempt to try and dissuade Pakistanis from ivc, it would apply to Indians as well

An inheritance of 50 dollars or 5 million dollars is still an inheritance, so nothing is problematic about the claim, the claim is simply under your feet

As to it's achievements look below, everything that has been discovered has happened without really trying

Sanitation of the Indus Valley Civilisation - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Though you do raise an interesting challenge, how should Pakistanis frame the ivc, that gets tricky, I would propose some mild but definite cultural and educational exposure to the masses, just enough for the average guy to be conscious that there was such a thing as ivc in the way people know there is a stone henge in Britain



For now simply gathering the facts is the actual focus

in Pakistan you will have a hard job competing with the Islamic narrative. the whole IVC thing is a crap shoot.

it is a hard sell identifying with the IVC because of sanitation system. If you do succeed you will be butt of jokes for Pakistani school kids for a long time.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

in Pakistan you will have a hard job competing with the Islamic narrative. the whole IVC thing is a crap shoot.

it is a hard sell identifying with the IVC because of sanitation system. If you do succeed you will be butt of jokes for Pakistani school kids for a long time.

In Pakistan studies IVC is ancient civilization of the land. In India studies IVC presented as hindu civilization.

Now tell me which narrative is wrong.

 

[Musings]

in Pakistan you will have a hard job competing with the Islamic narrative. the whole IVC thing is a crap shoot.

it is a hard sell identifying with the IVC because of sanitation system. If you do succeed you will be butt of jokes for Pakistani school kids for a long time.

You have no intention of saying anything of interest or constructive on this thread. Why do you even post on this thread? You really are a butt hurt weasel who has no desire to discuss the civilisation that existed in the land that is today called Pakistan.

 

[FuturePAF]

You have no intention of saying anything of interest or constructive on this thread. Why do you even post on this thread? You really are a butt hurt weasel who has no desire to discuss the civilisation that existed in the land that is today called Pakistan.

There are people of the caliber of Joe Shearer, that are here for real discussions, and then there are people that are here to waste everyone’s time. Best to ignore the later. Besides, the argument won’t be won in what is said here but what narrative we can prove to the world. This is why we have to do our own work and work with reputable people from credible globally recognized institutions.

 

[r3alist]

in Pakistan you will have a hard job competing with the Islamic narrative. the whole IVC thing is a crap shoot.

it is a hard sell identifying with the IVC because of sanitation system. If you do succeed you will be butt of jokes for Pakistani school kids for a long time.

No intention to compete, merely acknowledge and mention, eventually some slight mainstream push and tourism push

how much ancient history is ever taught or known anyway

Full marks though for effort, you went through all the gears here...... It's not yours, it's not that much history anyway, no one will ever appreciate it....a great case study

 

[Guynextdoor]

Pakistan gave birth to India

Majority of IVC sites are founf in India. It's just a historical accident that Indus bordering sites were found first.

 

[r3alist]

In Pakistan studies IVC is ancient civilization of the land. In India studies IVC presented as hindu civilization.

Now tell me which narrative is wrong.

Ivc studies are relatively young and much less in depth

 

[r3alist]

Majority of IVC sites are founf in India. It's just a historical accident that Indus bordering sites were found first.

Sites are not the same as overall area or central importance

Based on maps and important findings it's generally Pakistan

Indus civilization | History, Location, Map, Artifacts, Language, & Facts

Indus civilization, the earliest known urban culture of the Indian subcontinent. The nuclear dates of the civilization appear to be about 2500–1700 BCE, though the southern sites may have lasted later into the 2nd millennium BCE. Learn more about the Indus civilization in this article.

www.britannica.com

But I am sure it can evolve with time as more is learnt

 

[Guynextdoor]

Sites are not the same as overall area or central importance

Based on maps and important findings it's generally Pakistan

Indus civilization | History, Location, Map, Artifacts, Language, & Facts

Indus civilization, the earliest known urban culture of the Indian subcontinent. The nuclear dates of the civilization appear to be about 2500–1700 BCE, though the southern sites may have lasted later into the 2nd millennium BCE. Learn more about the Indus civilization in this article.

www.britannica.com

But I am sure it can evolve with time as more is learnt

No.
Rakhigari is the biggest IVC site, so probably had capital status.
Lothal was probably the biggest site of maritime trade

Increasingly clear that Harappa etc. might be important trading outposts on the outskirts of the IVC.

Spread is larger in India because it has more fertile soil.