Indus Valley Civilisation is largest source of ancestry for South Asians

[r3alist]

No.
Rakhigari is the biggest IVC site, so probably had capital status.
Lothal was probably the biggest site of maritime trade

Increasingly clear that Harappa etc. might be important trading outposts on the outskirts of the IVC.

Spread is larger in India because it has more fertile soil.

From wiki

Mohenjo-daro (/moʊˌhɛndʒoʊ ˈdɑːroʊ/; Sindhi: موهن جو دڙو‎, lit. 'Mound of the Dead Men'; Urdu: موئن جو دڑو [muˑənⁱ dʑoˑ d̪əɽoˑ]) is an archaeological site in Larkana District, Sindh, Pakistan. Built c. 2500 BCE, it was the largest settlement of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation, and one of the world's earliest major cities, contemporaneous with the civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Minoan Crete, and Norte Chico.[2][3]


its height, the Indus Civilization spanned much of what is now Pakistan and North India, extending westwards to the Iranian border, south to Gujarat in India and northwards to an outpost in Bactria, with major urban centers at Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, Lothal, Kalibangan, Dholavira and Rakhigarhi. Mohenjo-daro was the most advanced city of its time, with remarkably sophisticated civil engineering and urban planning.[13] When the Indus civilization went into sudden decline c. 1900 BCE, Mohenjo-daro was abandoned.[11][14]

More here

Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro

The ruins of the huge city of Moenjodaro – built entirely of unbaked brick in the 3rd millennium B.C. – lie in the Indus valley. The acropolis, set on high embankments, the ramparts, and the lower town, ...

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Once again thread is not about claiming

 

[Joe Shearer]

What is middle class Dravidian. And do you have any research link for your last statement.

You beat me to it.
Most intriguing, considering that caste structures became rigid to resemble the current situation only circa 800 AD.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You see in Bahubali movie heroes are middle caste dravidians and villains army are shown as tribal/dalit.

Google was bad enough, now this....

 

[Nilgiri]

If it can be established that Brahui are ancient inhabitants which is likely then there is 90% chance IVC language was dravidian.

It is one theory. But needs lot more research.

You have to remember this region is vast, both sheer scale and history....it is early days for filling in large gaps in our understanding with evidence and analysis.

 

[Nilgiri]

What ethno? My point was that its unlikely that before IVC everyone in south asia was just ASI. Zagrosian and ASI admixture is believed to be 8-10K years old.

If you are talking of the neolithic farmer (by way of Iran, from mesopotamia etc). The current understanding is that there is AASI (precursor to ASI) and then with the neolithic farmer admixture (introducing the farming innovation that made the IVC take off so to speak...from the mehgarh arc etc)... ASI was created.

As to what was the state of permeation of ASI vs AASI mixes in the larger subcontinent at the era of the IVC (which was ASI, and I believe about quarter neolithic iranian farmer DNA from the genetic studies backworked so far) and the neolithic before it... it again requires lot more evidence and analysis. There was neolithic farming remember and other river valleys and so on....one can look up current research and understanding of neolithic farming in South Asia and also the larger world in general.

 

[FuturePAF]

From wiki

Mohenjo-daro (/moʊˌhɛndʒoʊ ˈdɑːroʊ/; Sindhi: موهن جو دڙو‎, lit. 'Mound of the Dead Men'; Urdu: موئن جو دڑو [muˑənⁱ dʑoˑ d̪əɽoˑ]) is an archaeological site in Larkana District, Sindh, Pakistan. Built c. 2500 BCE, it was the largest settlement of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation, and one of the world's earliest major cities, contemporaneous with the civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Minoan Crete, and Norte Chico.[2][3]


its height, the Indus Civilization spanned much of what is now Pakistan and North India, extending westwards to the Iranian border, south to Gujarat in India and northwards to an outpost in Bactria, with major urban centers at Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, Lothal, Kalibangan, Dholavira and Rakhigarhi. Mohenjo-daro was the most advanced city of its time, with remarkably sophisticated civil engineering and urban planning.[13] When the Indus civilization went into sudden decline c. 1900 BCE, Mohenjo-daro was abandoned.[11][14]

More here

Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro

The ruins of the huge city of Moenjodaro – built entirely of unbaked brick in the 3rd millennium B.C. – lie in the Indus valley. The acropolis, set on high embankments, the ramparts, and the lower town, ...

whc.unesco.org

Once again thread is not about claiming

Any indication Mohenjodaro is a mass grave, considering the name?

 

[Nilgiri]

Any indication Mohenjodaro is a mass grave, considering the name?

These are all significantly downstream names, from various best guesses (when discovered with our preset biases today) and current toponyms, identities of populations etc.

From what we can tell, Mohenjo Daro was just a major flourishing settlement of the IVC.

Remember we don't have a clue what the folk of this time called themselves, as the language is undeciphered....and if they even thought of themselves as a larger polity (or if it was a networked city state like much of early and midstream Mesopotamia, i.e Sumerian city states before Akkad came to bear to unite them).

Indus, Valley and Civ are all later words for our own understanding and reference use. If the language ever does get deciphered, we will know a better name for it.

Same thing when we say ANI, ASI, AASI....these are all names we have assigned. Mehrgarh same thing. All of it, neolithic, bronze age....we give names for our current understanding.

Same thing with Minoan civ I mentioned earlier here. It was backworked by iron age Greeks using their oral account of King Minos (much like they did with Perseus for bronze age Mycenae)....but we have no idea what the Minoans actually called themselves.....the linear A and glyphs are undeciphered. Linear B is "too late" and fragmented w.r.t what is written for this (actual name) purpose w.r.t Crete's bronze and neolithic age.

The oral account of the Vedas, especially the Rg Ved is very unique thing (in the world) thats been preserved faithfully to present day.... to compare and contrast with the archaeology and genetic research evidence and analysis etc..... but that is an immense number of chapters to get into w.r.t the Iron age in South Asia to begin with.

Even with Egyptian hieroglyphs translated, the name "khemet" is not in popular use compared to Egypt....so things take their time even with that unlocked. But it is at least known.

 

[FuturePAF]

These are all significantly downstream names, from various best guesses (when discovered with our preset biases today) and current toponyms, identities of populations etc.

From what we can tell, Mohenjo Daro was just a major flourishing settlement of the IVC.

Remember we don't have a clue what the folk of this time called themselves, as the language is undeciphered....and if they even thought of themselves as a larger polity (or if it was a networked city state like much of early and midstream Mesopotamia, i.e Sumerian city states before Akkad came to bear to unite them).

Indus, Valley and Civ are all later words for our own understanding and reference use. If the language ever does get deciphered, we will know a better name for it.

Same thing when we say ANI, ASI, AASI....these are all names we have assigned. Mehrgarh same thing. All of it, neolithic, bronze age....we give names for our current understanding.

Same thing with Minoan civ I mentioned earlier here. It was backworked by iron age Greeks using their oral account of King Minos (much like they did with Perseus for bronze age Mycenae)....but we have no idea what the Minoans actually called themselves.....the linear A and glyphs are undeciphered. Linear B is "too late" and fragmented w.r.t what is written for this (actual name) purpose w.r.t Crete's bronze and neolithic age.

The oral account of the Vedas, especially the Rg Ved is very unique thing (in the world) thats been preserved faithfully to present day.... to compare and contrast with the archaeology and genetic research evidence and analysis etc..... but that is an immense number of chapters to get into w.r.t the Iron age in South Asia to begin with.

Even with Egyptian hieroglyphs translated, the name "khemet" is not in popular use compared to Egypt....so things take their time even with that unlocked. But it is at least known.

But who named Mohenjodaro that name and why? Someone must have done it and must of had a reason. If that name means mounds of the dead, it must have a connection to some kind of reality. Perhaps the locals retained a collective memory of that name has been retained among the local people for generations.

 

[Nilgiri]

But who named Mohenjodaro that name and why? Someone must have done it and must of had a reason. If that name means mounds of the dead, it must have a connection to some kind of reality. Perhaps the locals retained a collective memory of that name has been retained among the local people for generations.

This is what I could find on its etymology currently:

What's in a name?: The curious case of Mo(h)(a)(e)njo Daro | The Express Tribune

A century of excavation later, still no consensus on what the 5,000-year-old world heritage site should be called

tribune.com.pk

What Is Wrong With The Local Name Of Mohenjodaro?

Who does not know about Mohenjodaro? It is one of the most famous ancient cities in the world. The archaeological site of Mohenjodaro, which shows the remains

thefridaytimes.com

 

[Guynextdoor]

From wiki

Mohenjo-daro (/moʊˌhɛndʒoʊ ˈdɑːroʊ/; Sindhi: موهن جو دڙو‎, lit. 'Mound of the Dead Men'; Urdu: موئن جو دڑو [muˑənⁱ dʑoˑ d̪əɽoˑ]) is an archaeological site in Larkana District, Sindh, Pakistan. Built c. 2500 BCE, it was the largest settlement of the ancient Indus Valley Civilisation, and one of the world's earliest major cities, contemporaneous with the civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Minoan Crete, and Norte Chico.[2][3]


its height, the Indus Civilization spanned much of what is now Pakistan and North India, extending westwards to the Iranian border, south to Gujarat in India and northwards to an outpost in Bactria, with major urban centers at Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, Lothal, Kalibangan, Dholavira and Rakhigarhi. Mohenjo-daro was the most advanced city of its time, with remarkably sophisticated civil engineering and urban planning.[13] When the Indus civilization went into sudden decline c. 1900 BCE, Mohenjo-daro was abandoned.[11][14]

More here

Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro

The ruins of the huge city of Moenjodaro – built entirely of unbaked brick in the 3rd millennium B.C. – lie in the Indus valley. The acropolis, set on high embankments, the ramparts, and the lower town, ...

whc.unesco.org

Once again thread is not about claiming

What the hell?
There is nothing in your reference that contradicts anything I said. At least read the stuff you are posting. Are you now so desperate you will post stuff with the expectation I won't read it?

Rakhigarhi, the biggest Harappan site

Bigger than Mohenjo-daro, claims expert

www.thehindu.com

 

[Guynextdoor]

We should be renaming the culture from 'Indus Valley Civilization' to 'Rakhigharhi Civilization'. Nowadays even the genetic reserach done there is extrenmely divisive