'Indus Water Treaty Not feasible to maintain': India serves notice to Pakistan, seeks Modification.

[Vikramaditya1]

Wars don't annul treaties.

It pretty much do. Under Vienna convention Fundamental change in circumstances like war can trigger treaty annulment. It could've been done in 71 too. But alas lost ideas

 

[SteppeWolff]

Funny Pa-jeets, instead of doing the talking, come and take it. Nothing's gonna unite Pakistan more than some certain smelly midgets mounting a failed attack.

 

[GatlingGun]

Funny Pa-jeets, instead of doing the talking, come and take it. Nothing's gonna unite Pakistan more than some certain smelly midgets mounting a failed attack.

You will be better at fighting for whatever water is left after we build more dams like we built in J&K.

 

[SteppeWolff]

You will be better at fighting for whatever water is left after we build more dams like we built in J&K.

Keep dreaming my Pa-jeet friend, IWT is here to stay, cope or rant, upto you.

 

[That_Guy]

It pretty much do. Under Vienna convention Fundamental change in circumstances like war can trigger treaty annulment. It could've been done in 71 too. But alas lost ideas

Here's the link to the Vieanna Conventions on treaties...

Vienna Convention Law Treaties

Point it out for me.

 

[That_Guy]

However countries annul treaties even without wars.

US withdrew from INF treaty with Russia in 2019.

US also withdrew from anti ballistic missile treaty with Russia in 2002.

Russia withdrew from START treaty in 2010.

Neither the US nor Russia care what international courts have to say because they can withstand the consequences.

India and Pakistan are different.

Unilaterally withdrawing from the Indus water treaty would essentially be an intent to declare war, as India knows that the Indus is the jugular of Pakistan.

 

[That_Guy]

So who will?
Capabilities are relative.

International courts. Loss of prestige. You really think neighboring countries will trust India if India goes ahead and ignores a treaty it signed in good faith?

But sure, go ahead. Give it a try.

 

[That_Guy]

But treaties get suspended automatically.

They do not.

 

[lightoftruth]

International courts. Loss of prestige. You really think neighboring countries will trust India if India goes ahead and ignores a treaty it signed in good faith?

But sure, go ahead. Give it a try.

We will abrogate it legally, nothing to worry about. Our neighbours know about our special relationship with Pakistan, one of the reason why SAARC was disbanded.

Nobody in international relations builds treaties on trust etc their are built on mutual benefit unfortunately Pakistan doesn’t have much to offer.

 

[RHCP]

How about Article 62 - Fundamental change of circumstances?

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Here's the link to the Vieanna Conventions on treaties...

Vienna Convention Law Treaties

Point it out for me.

Changing boundaries in this particular situation. Many were bragging Pakistan was almost at Sri Nagar or the valley but that changed the boundaries of the river. However unsuccessful it maybe, these incidents should've been used as for annulment. Or IWT at least should've been used as a pressure tactic to get a favorable deal.
These are all different scenarios not arguments to be used now.

 

[Jaeger]

Neither the US nor Russia care what international courts have to say because they can withstand the consequences.

India and Pakistan are different.

Unilaterally withdrawing from the Indus water treaty would essentially be an intent to declare war, as India knows that the Indus is the jugular of Pakistan.

You think India can not withstand the consequences of withdrawing from Indus water treaty?

Indus water treaty was signed, by overgnerous Nehru in a bid to allay Pakistan's water fears to avoid another war over Kashmir.

But it did not work, did it.

Pakistan nonetheless declared war in Kashmir a mere 5 years after signing the treaty.

Now India wants to renegotiate this treaty, based on today's needs and realities

If Pakistan will not negotiate, then fine, we will withdraw from treaty.

Then Pakistan can do what ever it wants.

 

[SaadH]

You think India can not withstand the consequences of withdrawing from Indus water treaty?

Indus water treaty was signed, by overgnerous Nehru in a bid to allay Pakistan's water fears to avoid another war over Kashmir.

But it did not work, did it.

Pakistan nonetheless declared war in Kashmir a mere 5 years after signing the treaty.

Now India wants to renegotiate this treaty, based on today's needs and realities

If Pakistan will not negotiate, then fine, we will withdraw from treaty.

Then Pakistan can do what ever it wants.

Pakistan declaring war in Kashmir would be akin to India declaring war in Balochistan. India crossed the international border to attach Pakistan in '65 not the other way around.

 

[Jaeger]

Pakistan declaring war in Kashmir would be akin to India declaring war in Balochistan. India crossed the international border to attach Pakistan in '65 not the other way around.

This is the kind of nonsense, you have been fed by your history books.

If India captures AK and GB today. What will Pakistanis do? Will they not declare an all out war?

Will you just accept it as such?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

No, our Punjab and Haryana will use it for crops. These two states grow more grain than whole Pakistan combined.

It will look lollypop till it won't.
Then Pakistan will be caught pants down with Indian dam already built, and would run towards international tribunals when it's too late.

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That dam is run of the river, no storage. Try again.

IoK doesn't have any site for big storage dam. Only option is diverting water which will be prohibitively expensive and take decades. Looming nuclear war would end that dream project before it even start.