'Indus Water Treaty Not feasible to maintain': India serves notice to Pakistan, seeks Modification.

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Article 370 doesn't threaten livelihood of Pakistanis. Infact India can make 1000 more changes to their constitution.

Geography and ground realities make India diverting water from 3 western rivers very difficult and expensive. Nuclear fallout insure India doesn't try to use water as weapon even if they could.

India have full right on 3 eastern rivers, these have 20% of water. 3 western rivers have 80% of water. India doesn't give Pakistan more share out of good will, they just have no control over it. Pakistan doesn't even allow India to build storage dams on western rivers. All dams must be run of river dams with minimum storage to generate electricity.

Majority of indus river water comes from with in Pakistan border glaciers. And water that comes from IoK they cannot control it.

Hindu terrorists on PDF and elsewhere want to use water as weapon as majority of them live in mahabhrat delusions.

These are few reasons Pakistanis don't care about Indians crying about Indus treaty.

Looks like they can't do a BD on Pak with the common rivers. Now, China is all set to do a BD on Bharat! What goes around comes around...

 

[Sharky]

What river would you unify the cauvery with? I'm from the region and what you are saying makes no sense.. it's a rain fed river and once the river crosses Karnataka it's all plains until the sea

If you really do not know about the kaveri Krishna godavari linking project you are not fit to say you are from this region.

 

[lightoftruth]

Looks like they can't do a BD on Pak with the common rivers. Now, China is all set to do a BD on Bharat! What goes around comes around...

How ? What can Pakistan do ?
Assuming that China will do this ? Do that ? Just to give you an Idea, India-China trade volume has exceeded 115 billion USD.

Stop living in a bubble!

In present tense, We have served you notices , we are demanding changes , if you don’t agree ,we will voluntarily abrogate it.

 

[arjunk]

This statement serves no purpose other than appealing to the low iq, high ego voter base of the Indian government.

The moment India builds an illegal dam on the Indus system, it will be destroyed. End of story.

 

[arjunk]

In present tense, We have served you notices , we are demanding changes ,

I am serving you a notice and demanding you to die of thirst. Saar please agree saar.

if you don’t agree ,we will voluntarily abrogate it.

In that case, we will "voluntarily" destroy any illegal blockage you build upstream on the Indus system.

 

[lightoftruth]

In that case, we will "voluntarily" destroy any illegal blockage you build upstream on the Indus system.

Yes that is expected ….very widely, why do you think India chose to serve notices now ?

Start a conflict…… good !. just give us an excuse.

 

[Saudang]

This statement serves no purpose other than appealing to the low iq, high ego voter base of the Indian government.

The moment India builds an illegal dam on the Indus system, it will be destroyed. End of story.

By whom?? It needs lot more to destroy something in a much superior power than forthing from mouth in PDF.

MODI wants Pakistan in the ring. If it gathers the courage to challenge that is great, but it surrenders before the contest, even better

 

[drkrn86]

Nah that's not actually the worst part, the worst part is your fellow brothers thinking they can bring Pakistan to its knees, whilst even worse can be done to them!
Yes Pakistan can suffer, but they will do enough to bring the sanghis into line

Changes to IWT won't bring Pakistan to its knees. It makes Pak vulnerable.
If any one us yo blame, its your nation inaction and delays over last 7 decades.

We passed the phase where we bothered by your presence, forget about your threats.

I personally wish no relations (good or bad) with Pakistan in what so ever form.
For the current government Pakistan is
non existent issue.

Ground realities have changed.

 

[drkrn86]

If you really do not know about the kaveri Krishna godavari linking project you are not fit to say you are from this region.

Nope. Not gonna happen atleast for now.
Too costly, significant drawbacks.

The river interlinking projects have taken a backseat.

 

[Nilgiri]

Ratle 850 MW Hydroelectric dam who's foundation was laid in 2013 has been in dispute since 2017.

Till now, no agreement has been reached wether a neutral expert or court of arbitration will decide the fate of project.

Different to what you say.

Ratle Hydroelectric Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India permitted to construct Kishanganga, Ratle projects: World Bank | India News - Times of India

India News: India is permitted to construct hydroelectric power facilities on these rivers subject to constraints specified in Annexures to the treaty," the Bank

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[lightning f57]

By whom?? It needs lot more to destroy something in a much superior power than forthing from mouth in PDF.

MODI wants Pakistan in the ring. If it gathers the courage to challenge that is great, but it surrenders before the contest, even better

Just needs a stand off weapon fired from JF17 Pak has plenty of them. Or maybe some asymmetrical warfare to give Modi a dose of reality.

Modi is barking like some of you on here. He will do jack all like he has for nearly a decade because he knows the consequences. Funny thing is people like you are falling for his showman antics.

 

[Jaeger]

Different to what you say.

Ratle Hydroelectric Plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India permitted to construct Kishanganga, Ratle projects: World Bank | India News - Times of India

India News: India is permitted to construct hydroelectric power facilities on these rivers subject to constraints specified in Annexures to the treaty," the Bank

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

The article your are quoting is from Aug 2017.

Here is one from 2023

India rejects ruling by Permanent Court of Arbitration in dispute with Pakistan

Bagchi said India’s consistent and principled position has been that the constitution of the so-called Court of Arbitration is in contravention of the provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty.

www.google.com

India does not need go through all this

What benefit does IWT serve India?

 

[Nilgiri]

The article your are quoting is from Aug 2017.

Here is one from 2023

India rejects ruling by Permanent Court of Arbitration in dispute with Pakistan

Bagchi said India’s consistent and principled position has been that the constitution of the so-called Court of Arbitration is in contravention of the provisions of the Indus Waters Treaty.

www.google.com

Its all mentioned in the wiki.

None of that (post 2017 ruling, Pakistan starting another conduit with India not attending) has affected a delay on India's work on the dam, there is no stay etc.

Any delays since have come from Indian own side.

 

[Jaeger]

Its all mentioned in the wiki.

None of that (post 2017 ruling, Pakistan starting another conduit with India not attending) has affected a delay on India's work on the dam, there is no stay etc.

Any delays since have come from Indian own side.

My question is what purpose does IWT serve for India?

Does China ever take permission from India before building dams on shared rivers?

 

[Nilgiri]

My question is what purpose does IWT serve for India?

Does China ever take permission from India before building dams on shared rivers?

What do you mean "what purpose" IWT serves for India?

Shared river means you look at the population distribution of the river and its hydrology to come to a fair deal for the long term.

That is putting side the heavy geological segregation the Indus + Chenab + Jhelum have from rest of India (and the heavy costs to retain anything locally much less divert anything to Indian landmass)....unlike for Pakistan where it is lifeblood river downstream. i.e near 100% very high hydrological reliance on the upstream controlled by India...especially for Chenab and Jhelum (as Indus does have hydro flow originating withing Pakistan dowsntream proper, one has to look at the hydro data to see the rough % I forgot).

That is why the eastern rivers (Sutlej, Ravi and Beas) are likewise compensated fully to India too.

The high hydrological reliance is reason for IWT:

Indus Water Treaty: 40-member delegation visits Ratle hydroelectric project in Kishtwar - Greater Kashmir

First visit by Pakistani delegates to J&K in over five-years

www.greaterkashmir.com

As if you look at the dam itself:

Ratle Hydroelectric Power Corporation Limited

Ratle HE Project is a run-of-the-river project proposed on the river Chenab in district Kisthwar of Union Territory of Jammu & Kashmir. Ratle Project will generate annual energy of 3136.76 MUs. NHPC with JKSPDC incorporates a Joint Venture company Ratle Hydroelectric Power Corporation Limited

www.rhpcindia.com

and Chenab macro hydrology data:

Chenab River - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A live storage of 24 MCM comes to about

24x10^6 / 1000 = 24000 sec = 7 hours.

This would feel like about a days storage during lean flow period (where flow is 3 times less).

A bunch of dams like this (through flow but with pondage) adds up for the downstream, so thats all part of reason IWT was negotiated.....to not add a heavy unsustainable unnecessary socioeconomic pressure to India - Pakistan relations in the time downstream.

India would have pressed for something similar with China post Tibet occupation (which India did not officially recognise as part of PRC till the 1990s), if China occupied upper riparian intensity of similar nature that India does with Pakistan....or if it controlled Arunachal Pradesh (where large bulk of Brahmaputra water flow originates for India).

But it does not, if one looks at the hydrological data (10% or so peak investable/divertable control, 25% gross control):

Choking the Brahmaputra’s flow – Much ado about nothing?

Controversy around hydropower projects in China calls for transboundary cooperation and dialogue on flood management, riverbank erosion, energy, waterways and ecology.

www.preventionweb.net

"The maximum flow during July and August is 45,000 cumecs in Bahadurabad, which is ten times more than 4500 cumecs in Nuxia during the same months of the year."

Find me where this % situation exists regarding Indus, Chenab and Jhelum....between India and Pakistan. If it did, the IWT would not have seen same pressure of formation to begin with, and its structure and detail would be very different too. But things are baked in geologically and hydrologically here uniquely (w.r.t population sizes the rivers flow into) that make the treaty what it is.

@Joe Shearer