Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[Shags101]

Fake news from earlier today, Trump already said no extension

Was there actually even one to begin with at all

 

[Abdul q]

Ukraine style more himars are being deployed all along southern side of iran… this isn’t going to end anytime soon

 

[PakAl]

Pak/Turkey have historically got along fine, I'm not surprised they have come to our aid in the past, and we have done the same etc. Sending help/aid is completely different to joining a war officially.

This pact will be tested when, or if, any of the 3 signatories find themselves in hot water. I'm not convinced Saudi are EVER coming to our aid - Turkey? More likely. But this is just my opinion.

Saudis, or Arabs in general consider us, and South Asians, as sub humans. No amount of 'brotherly' love will compel them to shed blood for us. Yet Pakistanis will line up (and probably fight each other) in order to have the 'honour' of defending Saudis - and Saudis know this.

100% correct, no Saudi lives will be lost defending Pakistan against India, but here is what we are missing on, Saudi controls Pakistan through funding many religious organisations and militant groups, they will push them to fight with the Pakistan army. This is how Saudia operates but Pakistanis fail to understand if #### hits the fan then these same will turn on you, like it happened with Gaddafi and Al Assad. Turkey will 100% back us through military weaponary, but troops on ground is a big question mark because Pakistan India full war will end up like Russia Ukraine war, with millions of deaths, and even 100 million death if nukes are ever used. This pact is only to defend house of Saud and to neutralise all threats facing them ie Houthis, Iraqi militias, also Turkey Pakistan can lobby Iran to not target Saudis, so Al Saud have Usa security plus Turkey Pakistan guranteed security. Works out well for them. Turkey and Pakistan will get Saudi financial support and Investment, Turkish bonus is their and Saudi interests will align in nations like Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, so they will jointly influence/control these nations, with Turkey Qatar will be part of this, the only nation missing is UAE who supports the opposition side so far.

 

[PakAl]

Interesting. Sure you had Turkish political support but that is not evidence of military support. You didn't mention how Erdogan, being the belly-dancer that he is, called for restraints and even requested investigations on attacks carried out towards Indian civilians. And Turkish authorities have denied being involved in SIndoor, while others say they were. Mind sharing some evidence of their military support?

Why I made that remark is because the Mecca Pact can create a multitude of activation disputes that can leave allies isolated. Its 'defensive doctrine' will leave political/legal ramifications on things like who started the war? Who is the victim? Were Saudi-Arabia and Turkey consulted prior to the attack? Also, both Saudi-Arabia and Turkey can determine what kind of assistance is appropriate so at best you may get intelligence (Not from Saudi of course), diplomatic and logistics support.

The reality is Saudi-Arabia will avoid a confrontation with India and Greece because of their economic ties and relations with both countries. And Turkey will be pressured by the States and NATO to do the same, although they might provide some concrete assistance as opposed to symbolic gestures like the Saudis.

If Turkey and Greece get it on, will Pakistan genuinely step in? Be realistic here because I can assure you that NATO and uncle SAM will be knocking at your door and tell you to step down.

Be upright with me mate and tell me it's directed at Iran. I have more respect with honest people than those that skirt around facts.

Its not aimed at Iran because otherwise Turkey and Pakistan would not be part of it, but yes we cannot say the pact is not aimed at Iranian proxies in Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon and elsewhere. The pact will try their best to neutralise anti Saudi militants in the region, to gurantee the security of Al Saud. It will also be aimed at countering UAE nationalist/secular type of groups, so i expect the rise of Muslim Brotherhood and Wahabism linked movements. We already witnessed what happened in Yemen, how UAE had to withdraw support to Southern rebel movements, they will try to replicate the same in Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria is already under Usa Turkey and Saudi control.

 

[PakAl]

Not really , never seen an Egyptian look down on Pakistani , contrary , we view them in higher status since 1973 , their pilots were probably the best ones we've ever seen.
plus they are the only muslim nuclear nation.

He is talking about GCC Arabs, the so called chosen people.

 

[PakAl]

Was looking into the sovereign wealth funds of the GCC. Those fkers are rich and can sustain themselves for quite a while.

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They have 100s of billions investment in to western economy, stock market. This is why no way they will leave the Usa led world order alliance.

 

[BHAN85]

They have 100s of billions investment in to western economy, stock market. This is why no way they will leave the Usa led world order alliance.

how good is money hidden in a bunker like a rat, with main income source of real richness closed and the danger of to be killed in a war increasing.

 

[PakAl]

and they say Iran is the rogue state

The world is a cruel place, the rule of the jungle, only might is right. Iran needs might to be right.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

This what the current brilliant leadership of Iran is doing by their passive acceptance of this blockade! Mojtaba is continuing the disastrous policies of his father!

 

[MS Sandhu]

And that makes acceptable using nuclear weapons???

Where i said that's acceptable?

 

[Immortals]

Iran attacking Kurds in Iraq

 

[Pakistan First]

They have 100s of billions investment in to western economy, stock market. This is why no way they will leave the Usa led world order alliance.

That is true. Most of that money/investment is taken by the US like an open extortion. Earlier the messaging used to be confidential. But since Trump took over, he don't hide away the facts that US extorts money. He issues threats openly in front of media. In his last term, he openly said that I told Saudi king to pay us more money. He openly say in front of media that We took Venezuela to steal its oil. That stealing and extortion is in very DNA of united states. But for the first time they are not even lying about it. Some of that extortion is in form of direct investment. Some in form of buying downgraded military hardware at 5X more the costs.

But saying, that there is no way they will leave the USA led world order is not correct. US empire and its hegemony is on decline. Once the arabs see that US is no longer in condition to bully & extort then they will stop immediately. Arabs don't give money to US with pleasure, they do it out of fear of regime change or outright attack. Look how he is threatening Oman again and again to blow it up. Once arabs see China step up and engage in middleeast OR US sharp decline they will get out of US led world order. The massive change has already started when Turkey, Pakistan and KSA has formed defense pact. Its a clear signal to the US that its security architecture attracts wars and instability and is no longer reliable.

 

[BigMela2onin]

This what the current brilliant leadership of Iran is doing by their passive acceptance of this blockade! Mojtaba is continuing the disastrous policies of his father!

Iran has no capability to break the blockade regardless of will.