Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Iran attacking Kurds in Iraq

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[Pakistan First]

They have 100s of billions investment in to western economy, stock market. This is why no way they will leave the Usa led world order alliance.

That is true. Most of that money/investment is taken by the US like an open extortion. Earlier the messaging used to be confidential. But since Trump took over, he don't hide away the facts that US extorts money. He issues threats openly in front of media. In his last term, he openly said that I told Saudi king to pay us more money. He openly say in front of media that We took Venezuela to steal its oil. That stealing and extortion is in very DNA of united states. But for the first time they are not even lying about it. Some of that extortion is in form of direct investment. Some in form of buying downgraded military hardware at 5X more the costs.

But saying, that there is no way they will leave the USA led world order is not correct. US empire and its hegemony is on decline. Once the arabs see that US is no longer in condition to bully & extort then they will stop immediately. Arabs don't give money to US with pleasure, they do it out of fear of regime change or outright attack. Look how he is threatening Oman again and again to blow it up. Once arabs see China step up and engage in middleeast OR US sharp decline they will get out of US led world order. The massive change has already started when Turkey, Pakistan and KSA has formed defense pact. Its a clear signal to the US that its security architecture attracts wars and instability and is no longer reliable.

 

[BigMela2onin]

This what the current brilliant leadership of Iran is doing by their passive acceptance of this blockade! Mojtaba is continuing the disastrous policies of his father!

Iran has no capability to break the blockade regardless of will.

 

[BHAN85]

Iran has no capability to break the blockade regardless of will.

USA neither.

Hormuz is easy to block and impossible to unblock by force.

 

[Pakistan First]

how good is money hidden in a bunker like a rat, with main income source of real richness closed and the danger of to be killed in a war increasing.

What you wrote can be in a world of fantasy and some low level social media. In reality, the money is not in the bunker. Its in investments around the world, its in their banks, its in their gold, its invested in the infrastructure in their own countries. Life is exactly as normal in KSA, UAE, Oman. I was in the region due to work, I have colleagues in these 3 countries. They go to work daily, heavy traffic, families, friends and fun. People from outside have a different view as if war is happening inside these countries. Property prices even increasing due to high demand. Just check the property portals of these 3 countries and see graph of last one year.

Main income source of real richness is not closed. Its low but its not closed. Yes small states which are totally enclosed in strait of hormuz like Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain are effecting the most because they cannot export oil. Saudis are sending billions of dollar worth of oil from Suez canal to EU. Houthis are attacking ships but still tankers are making out from that end too. UAE is on daily basis sending oil from Fujairah port despite attacks on some of its ships. Oman is already out of strait completely.

 

[Pakistan First]

USA neither.

Hormuz is easy to block and impossible to unblock by force.

Hormuz value is important as long as other countries don't find alternates. The buyers of oil are finding substitutes already. The oil isn't climbing past 150. Its not even 100 ? The main sellers have found alternative paths to by pass strait. KSA and UAE. KSA is sending tons of oil from suez canal and still slipping tankers from Bab al mandal. UAE is exporting oil daily to entire of its customer base from Fujairah base despite some of the attacks on its ships.

So longer the Hormuz is shut, the more world will find workarounds it. Both the buyers and sellers.

 

[BHAN85]

What you wrote can be in a world of fantasy and some low level social media. In reality, the money is not in the bunker. Its in investments around the world, its in their banks, its in their gold, its invested in the infrastructure in their own countries. Life is exactly as normal in KSA, UAE, Oman. I was in the region due to work, I have colleagues in these 3 countries. They go to work daily, heavy traffic, families, friends and fun. People from outside have a different view as if war is happening inside these countries. Property prices even increasing due to high demand. Just check the property portals of these 3 countries and see graph of last one year.

Main income source of real richness is not closed. Its low but its not closed. Yes small states which are totally enclosed in strait of hormuz like Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain are effecting the most because they cannot export oil. Saudis are sending billions of dollar worth of oil from Suez canal to EU. Houthis are attacking ships but still tankers are making out from that end too. UAE is on daily basis sending oil from Fujairah port despite attacks on some of its ships. Oman is already out of strait completely.

I meant money is useless if you have to live inside a bunker.

Maybe you have forgotten first days of wars but the only pictures of KSA rulers were in closed places by video conference those days.

The low level is your analysis, money is nothing. Just a way to exchange real things.

USA is declining, the real richness come from China industry, the real richness is crude oil exporting through Hormuz, it's not paper fiat money.

But people keep his faith in fiat money, good luck, USA doesnt seem to need their GCC partners anymore, but everybody is too scared to face it, common behavior inside a state.

 

[BHAN85]

Hormuz value is important as long as other countries don't find alternates. The buyers of oil are finding substitutes already. The oil isn't climbing past 150. Its not even 100 ? The main sellers have found alternative paths to by pass strait. KSA and UAE. KSA is sending tons of oil from suez canal and still slipping tankers from Bab al mandal. UAE is exporting oil daily to entire of its customer base from Fujairah base despite some of the attacks on its ships.

So longer the Hormuz is shut, the more world will find workarounds it. Both the buyers and sellers.

Oil fields are near to Iran soil, and it's easy to bomb as well. Just a cheap shahed 20k drone to cause millions in destruction of those oil fields.

No way of avoid it but destroying whole Iran.

Shaheds can be manufactured and launched in every tiny corner of Iran,

 

[Pakistan First]

USA doesnt seem to need their GCC partners anymore, but everybody is too scared to face it, common behavior inside a state.

It seems they still need it. To suck more money out of middleeast. That is the sole reason they still want to remain in the region. GCC would be equally happy once they are freed from US extortion. Didn't you see US threats to Oman time and again?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[BHAN85]

It seems they still need it. To suck more money out of middleeast. That is the sole reason they still want to remain in the region. GCC would be equally happy once they are freed from US extortion. Didn't you see US threats to Oman time and again?

USA ruling elite life standards will be exactly the same with or without that.

The rest will suffer. But who cares, they are easy to deceive.

 

[Pakistan First]

Oil fields are near to Iran soil, and it's easy to bomb as well. Just a cheap shahed 20k drone to cause millions in destruction of those oil fields.

No way of avoid it but destroying whole Iran.

Shaheds can be manufactured and launched in every tiny corner of Iran,

But Iran isn't doing that. What's stopping the US to use WMDs or go after energy sites, electricity plants and life sustaining infrastructure in Iran if Iran go ahead and destroy the oil facilities of GCC?


The GCC oil facilities are needed not only by GCC but by entire world economy. Even poor, avg countries will suffer because of huge oil price. Iran will become villain if it kills world's economy. Then US would attack Iran with everything it got. Iran will not attack those oil fields. Its their very last "trump" card. Iran eventually wants its own economy to restart and thrive. That is only possible if war ends sooner without any further destruction.

 

[Shags101]

It seems they still need it. To suck more money out of middleeast. That is the sole reason they still want to remain in the region. GCC would be equally happy once they are freed from US extortion. Didn't you see US threats to Oman time and again?

And Iraqis seemingly have a deal with Americans to leave what’s so hard for gcc nations who don’t need an agreement just say hey guys I think your doing the opposite of protecting us from conflict that wouldn’t have happened because of bibi and trump and us getting suckered by both of yiu guys

 

[Pakistan First]

And Iraqis seemingly have a deal with Americans to leave what’s so hard for gcc nations who don’t need an agreement just say hey guys I think your doing the opposite of protecting us from conflict that wouldn’t have happened because of bibi and trump and us getting suckered by both of yiu guys

I think atleast some GCC will push for it. The problem is the fear of US. They also know and they are bluntly told by the CIA too that if you don't behave then you will be replaced by your brother / cousin or anyone we want. The "regime change" much easier way. It has happened in the past in Saudi, even hollywood has made movies on it. I forgot the name. When one bold anti-US prince was killed by US drone strike and more "westernized" one was protected.

US knows as long as they sit in these countries they can extort any amount of money. They can demand certain billions of dollars in investment OR can tell certain military equipment to be purchased at 5 times more the usual cost. So throwing US out is a daunting task especially if you are a small population / small military but highly oil rich nation.

 

[PakAl]

That is true. Most of that money/investment is taken by the US like an open extortion. Earlier the messaging used to be confidential. But since Trump took over, he don't hide away the facts that US extorts money. He issues threats openly in front of media. In his last term, he openly said that I told Saudi king to pay us more money. He openly say in front of media that We took Venezuela to steal its oil. That stealing and extortion is in very DNA of united states. But for the first time they are not even lying about it. Some of that extortion is in form of direct investment. Some in form of buying downgraded military hardware at 5X more the costs.

But saying, that there is no way they will leave the USA led world order is not correct. US empire and its hegemony is on decline. Once the arabs see that US is no longer in condition to bully & extort then they will stop immediately. Arabs don't give money to US with pleasure, they do it out of fear of regime change or outright attack. Look how he is threatening Oman again and again to blow it up. Once arabs see China step up and engage in middleeast OR US sharp decline they will get out of US led world order. The massive change has already started when Turkey, Pakistan and KSA has formed defense pact. Its a clear signal to the US that its security architecture attracts wars and instability and is no longer reliable.

I dont see the downfall of the Usa or western led world order anytime soon. Usa is not alone, it is Usa Canada many American nations, EU, GCC, Japan, Australia, S Korea, even india to some extent, they control most of the world economy and military power. Even Russia and China are unable to challenge them never mind anyone else crossing them. Example the war in Ukraine, Usa and EU openly arming Ukraine meanwhile Russia still cannot/unable to defend their Iran ally in the middleeast, China is close enough to a superpower but if they go against western led world order they will face collective nations as mentioned above. But the western led order does look after China aswell, after Saddam removal China still trades with Iraq total 17B exports v 33B imports, if Iranian regime is changed the Chinese interests will be looked after. Saudia Pakistan Turkey pact is no threat to the Usa, its aim is to protect Saudia and even Usa has done this for decades. GCC and Israel want the end of the Iranian regime, this will make Usa led world order more strong.