Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

so , they are gonna attack very soon .

 

[Zartosht]

so , they are gonna attack very soon .

Who could of ever thought Iran was going to fall into endless war?

So you are saying that not building nukes on personal political orders of a 80 year old mullah (while having the technical capability) was not a wise choice?

You are saying getting unto a geopolitical death match with the most powerful and ruthleslly evil force on earth with empty hands was not a recipe for peace? How can this be!?

I am shocked!

When they killed soleimani, and khamenei proved the war hawks right by doing nothing ….. you are saying that hurt Irans detterence? I am shocked!

When Iran repeatedly gave warnings and responded in a symbolic manner.. you are saying that hurt Irans detterence? I am shocked.

I always agreed with khamenei about his policy. If a bully punches you in the face, the best thing to do is punch a wall to establish detterence.

Because the bully knows that someday his face might be in place of the wall… that will teach him! If it doesnt work the first time, just keep trying another 7 times.

Enjoy your new reality brought to by khameneism. Endless war

 

[Flotilla]

so , they are gonna attack very soon .

Probably Irán will go nuclear also...

Ironically the war has given Irán a fog of war of nearly 9 months. In such time from unknown enrichments sites to retrieve the buried uranium and reach easily 90%.

This stupid has given Irán a combat hardened aerospace force and technology enough to improve iranian missiles and new technologies (stealth cruise missiles or RWR systems among others).

 

[Blain2]

WHAT ISRAEL WANTS FROM IRAN​

Amid secret talks between Washington and Tehran, Israel has new demands on nuclear verification​

SEYMOUR HERSH OCT 8

A giant banner featuring symbolic images of the Natanz nuclear enrichment facility, Iranian nuclear scientists killed in Israeli attacks last year during the 12-Day War, and a Persian script that reads, “Science is power,” hangs from a governmental building last summer in downtown Tehran. / Photo by Morteza Nikoubazl/NurPhoto via Getty Images.

I have been reliably told by American and Israeli sources that things are quietly happening in secret talks between Washington and Tehran as the economy in Iran continues to plummet and the only way forward for Iran’s leadership is to obtain a settlement focused on its nuclear program. Talk is cheap, but the current conversations have spurred some anxious Israelis with experience in military and nuclear activities to produce a position paper entitled “What an Air-Tight Nuclear Verification Regime in Iran Should Look Like.”

The existence and circulation of the paper to a small group of verification experts makes clear that the ongoing secret talks have profoundly distressed Israel, which is facing worldwide condemnation of its ongoing killings and abuses of Palestine civilians in Gaza and the West Bank that many call genocide. Israel remains convinced that zealots in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are secretly keeping the nuclear flame alive. The paper’s key point is that any newfound nuclear inspection regime “requires an unprecedented level of intrusiveness, far outstripping standard international safeguards.

“Because trust is nonexistent and Iran possesses deep technical knowledge and a history of covert sites,” the paper notes, “the regime must be built on the principle of absolute verification.” The normal verification procedures of the International Atomic Energy Agency that deal with declared nuclear material will no longer satisfy Israel. The Trump White House and Iran must go further and permit IAEA inspectors access to all information and locations. IAEA inspectors also must be given authority to access any nuclear site in Iran—military or civilian—within twenty-four hours “to prevent the sanitation of evidence.” In other words, there can be no cheating.

Another longstanding Israeli concern is the Iranian stockpile of uranium enriched to 60 percent known to be stored at various underground nuclear sites. The paper says the stockpile must either be completely blended down or shipped out of the country. (That condition indicates that Israel, despite its talk of a covert operation to find and remove or destroy the materials, has understood all along that such a mission would be impossible.)

I was given a copy of the paper, and I shared it with an American expert who found it to be a first-rate discussion of the technical and verification issues involved in shutting down Iran’s nuclear facilities. The paper does not, the American pointed out, deal with the political issues involved in preventing Iran from obtaining the bomb. Nonetheless, he added, speaking of the Israelis, “They’ve put something on the table.”

The Iranian regime, the American acknowledged, is now facing a collapse of institutions, including the IRGC. Many Iranian citizens are out of work, hungry, and financially desperate. He believes the population could soon be on the verge of open revolt that would not, as in earlier demonstrations, be subject to murderous retaliation from IRGC members because many in the rank and file are unpaid and demoralized. He noted that just this past weekend there were demonstrations throughout Iran, including in Tehran, by retirees and workers who, according to published reports, were protesting rising poverty and unpaid retirement funds. There was no intervention by the IRGC, although executions of dissidents are still being authorized by the Iranian judiciary.

The most recent round of talks between the United States and Iran have been far more substantial and technical than earlier discussions involving Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Steve Witkoff, a New York real estate mogul and longtime friend of the president. Neither of those envoys knows much about nuclear weapons.

Iran is still capable of producing and firing drones and rockets, but its economy, as has been widely reported, is in shambles. I’ve been told that Iran’s longtime trucking and smuggling outlets for its oil to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria are no longer functioning as before.

The American expert cautioned that progress with Tehran while “great” is very limited. He said he believes the White House “is not going to start a ‘we won’ election ploy.” He reminded me that the Iranians had made similar promises on nonproliferation to the Biden administration “and then proceeded with weapons-grade refinement capability. No let-up this time because the current economic pressure is working. We are not going to ease the pressure until it’s in the bag.” (After alluding in a speech Monday night in Nebraska to Iran’s ability to “take out” Los Angeles and San Diego if it developed a nuclear bomb, Trump said that the ongoing war is “going to end very soon.”)

The American said that “the Israelis want verification negotiations to fail to avoid settling short of obliteration of the whole of Iran’s weapon program.” The visceral Israeli fear of a US settlement with Iran that falls short of that objective, unlikely as that may be in the Trump era, explains the production of what the official called Israeli’s “super requirement list” of safeguards, laid out in the paper cited above, for any nuclear agreement with Iran.

The conflict between Israel’s security demands and the international demand for the opening of the Strait of Hormuz makes for complex diplomacy, the American told me. The first step is to define and respond to the Iranian view of “peaceful development” that would deal with nuclear energy for domestic use. At the same time, Israel possesses dozens of nuclear weapons that it has never officially acknowledged, although its reactor in Dimona is widely known to have begun producing warheads by the late 1960s.

The Israeli view, according to the author of the paper on nuclear verification, is that the Trump administration, anxious for a nuclear agreement before the November elections, is being suckered by an Iranian regime that “will lie and cheat with a smile and double down when their backs are up against a wall.” The expert said he is convinced that the Iranian leadership is “buying time to improve” the economy and, with that accomplished, “will improve the defenses” around three of its major nuclear sites, at Natanz, Isfahan, and Fordow. All three sites have been heavily bombed in recent years by US and Israeli aircraft.

Israel is “terrified,” the Israeli said, because “the Iranians believe that the only way to survive is to lash out.” He said the Iranian leadership has learned, like Mohammed Ali, the great American boxer, when to do “rope-a-dope” before lashing out.

 

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