Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

For a nuclear program that isn’t up and running if they hit with a MOAB from what I read would actually be far less effective than hitting it with a bunker buster like the MOP MOABs explode before they even hit the ground true anything above ground like buildings etc would be incinerated not sure how effective it would be against a deep underground fortified mountain complex like pick axe

Trump wants a psychological win

 

[Lulldapull]

So if Israel starts nuking its neighbours, Pakistan will not help with spreading nukes to its muslim brothers?

Pakistan is CIA bruh........Come on now......
Most of us know dis since childhood.

So are dem hendu cock-suckas too.....Since birth he don't know nothing else.

Come on no?

 

[Lulldapull]

Whike oil prices are high ,irans oil income is likely not high currently,due to the US blockade against Iranian oil shipments out of the Persian gulf...but...see the
Point below.

Iran is most likely not broke, because Iran has likely replaced oil export revenue from the PG with oil TRANSIT revenue through the PG also.

Yea..we are seeing that Iran is too large, well positioned and resourced - materially and human wise, to actually be suffocated economically, and that definitely won't happen now because of US's weakened overall economic power- it takes a huge, robust, strong and resilient economy today to economically oppress a regional power like Iran. US is also in a weaker position because it has foster mooching vassals like Israel and Ukraine to sustain-, they have to be furnished with billions and billions of $ just to stay afloat..US doesnt have all that money to give ,afterall it didn't earn/get it freely in the first place.

Yous missing out on da basic reality here no?

If nothing exits and nothing enters da PG......den what happens to da ghareeb/ badbakht/ deen miskeen/ colluddz/ converts?

Come on bruh.......

Yous know wass upp no?

 

[Immortals]

For a nuclear program that isn’t up and running if they hit with a MOAB from what I read would actually be far less effective than hitting it with a bunker buster like the MOP MOABs explode before they even hit the ground true anything above ground like buildings etc would be incinerated not sure how effective it would be against a deep underground fortified mountain complex like pick axe forgot to add from what I read also only aircraft that can carry a MOAB is a c 130 and it would have to be right over the mountain 20 thousand feet or less ballsy even for Americans to risk it for a country that has “anti aircraft defenses left”

American likely has a stealth configuration of its transport planes that is only used for black ops missions and by CIA. Or they could have modified a B-1 or B-2 to carry it, we don’t know.

You also forget that C-130’s flew all the way to Isfahan and landed outside on an old agricultural air strip to rescue that pilot in the middle of the war.

 

[Navid09]

While Iran can’t sell a single barrel, it lets other countries thru its lane and collects a small fee.

Iranian logic is truly baffling.

If Iran manages to eventually get all countries to pay the fee and accept it as normality along with the small amount of oil it still manages to sell, it would generate similar amounts of money as pre war oil sales.

On top of that it brings all the said countries paying the fee under Iran's sphere of influence.

So I don't see it necessarily as the wrong strategy.

Other option is to dramatically escalate by targeting and sinking a much higher amount of ships going through causing a faster energy crisis which will almost certainly, alienate itself worldwide and outcast itself dramatically in the eyes of regional countries. All the while burning through munitions.

I see it losing more leverage in the latter option.

 

[Persian Gulf]

New IRGC brigadier general just dropped, never seen this guy before

 

[Persian Gulf]

American likely has a stealth configuration of its transport planes that is only used for black ops missions and by CIA. Or they could have modified a B-1 or B-2 to carry it, we don’t know.

You also forget that C-130’s flew all the way to Isfahan and landed outside on an old agricultural air strip to rescue that pilot in the middle of the war.

Famous zionist propagandist ideologically supports latest deranged Bibi scheme? Imagine my surprise

 

[Immortals]

Trump wants a psychological win

Was Fordow a psychological win?

Was Esfahan mountain complex a psychological win?

Was Natanz a psychological win?

The MOAB shockwave could potentially penetrate thru and overcome the blast traps, the centrifuges and the Machines that make them are incredibly sensitive to vibrations from the outside.

You are dismissive now, but I guarantee you will be yelling blood Mary when it occurs. You were also the one that thought Ghadirs would pose a threat to US navy and chastised me when I told you the entire Iranian Navy had zero chance of hurting US navy with their tin can archaic vessels.

So I am telling you again, they want to Pickaxe under the same de facto inoperation that Iran’s other sites are. Not that I expect this retarded leadership to sprint for a nuke at Pickaxe, but they want all of Iran’s major industrial nuclear sites to be able to be attacked anytime in the future if Iran goes to under bury them. So they are basically expansive tombs at this point.

Did I mention how much incompetence this leadership has?

I an average person nailed down the EXACT DAY AND WEEKEND Trump would launch his strike (I admit the morning raid suprised me) And yet these so called leaders and military brass of a 90 million person country all gathered in a single above ground compound to meet to discuss god knows what. What was there to discuss on something they had supposedly game planned for 40 years?

They learned NOTHING from Hajizadeh and Bagheri going into the same bunker they went to for TP 1/2/3.

I mean this is Looney Tunes level of incompetence.

 

[Shags202]

American likely has a stealth configuration of its transport planes that is only used for black ops missions and by CIA. Or they could have modified a B-1 or B-2 to carry it, we don’t know.

You also forget that C-130’s flew all the way to Isfahan and landed outside on an old agricultural air strip to rescue that pilot in the middle of the war.

I didn’t forget remember that stealth helicopter they used in Pakistan for bin Laden but a slow moving aircraft like that with dozens of aircraft to protect that payload will be spotted regardless and Iran will throw everything they have to bring it down I still say b 2 with mop payload unless Trump is a big of an idiot as he makes himself out to be and putting Americans in harms way hell he might goad Bibi into trying to do it so he can attempt to delay and perhaps get a boost from a “successful” attack

 

[Shags202]

Famous zionist propagandist ideologically supports latest deranged Bibi scheme? Imagine my surprise

Honestly that’s what I read I mean great to destroy airfields military bases and etc but against a mountain I don’t know remember the whole thing in Afghanistan when they dropped it great for effects but once the dust settled there were many claims of ISIS fighters killed but nothing to back it up not saying it wouldn’t cause a rumble but this weapon isn’t made to be accurate it’s just meant to destroy anything above ground if they’re still capable are going to do it it’s going to be several MOPs hitting it back to back like before

 

[Immortals]

 

[Lulldapull]

I didn’t forget remember that stealth helicopter they used in Pakistan for bin Laden but a slow moving aircraft like that with dozens of aircraft to protect that payload will be spotted regardless and Iran will throw everything they have to bring it down I still say b 2 with mop payload unless Trump is a big of an idiot as he makes himself out to be and putting Americans in harms way hell he might goad Bibi into trying to do it so he can attempt to delay and perhaps get a boost from a “successful” attack

Pakistanis found out whaass uppp mofo..... ....Surprise no?

Shot down dat Stealth blackhawk no? And gave da wreckage to da Chinese.

Zero Dark Thurrtty type filumms on Iran coming up soon by da dozens.

Just watch.

 

[Immortals]

Iran has a weird fetish with naval mines that it hasn’t deployed.

Just say it was hit by a cruise missile, why does IRGC have Indian call center level IQ thinking anyone believes these bullshit mine claims.

 

[ShapurII]

Trump wants a psychological win

This.

If 12 GBU-57s that had been specifically tailored for the destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities under mountains couldn't completely destroy Fordow's enrichment plant after entering its ventilation shaft, there's nothing the so-called "Mother of All Bombs" can do to the Pick Axe mountain. It's all propaganda.

Nothing short of a nuclear strike on the Pick Axe mountain can finish the job.

However, there's no need to attack the Pick Axe mountain as nothing clandestine is happening there. Iran's HEU has been buried in Natanz and Fordow.
Also, Iran doesn't have enough uranium reserves and yellow cake, and enough new centrifuges, to restart enriching uranium in the Pick Axe mountain from scratch either.
Therefore, as long as satellite images show that Iran's uranium has not been moved from their previous locations, the chance of proliferation is almost zero, unless China, Russia or North Korea somehow equip Iran with fissile material which is too optimistic.

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran manages to eventually get all countries to pay the fee and accept it as normality along with the small amount of oil it still manages to sell, it would generate similar amounts of money as pre war oil sales.

No, not even close. Iran's revenue from the Strait of Hormuz will not surpass $15 billion, even if all countries, and I emphasize all countries, accept to pay Iran the fee that the IRGC is wishing for and do not think about replacing the Strait of Hormuz in a couple of years, and the Strait of Hormuz does not remain leaky. So, that's Iran's income in the ideal situation.

Iran's oil exports have dropped to fewer than 300K barrels per day, and probably even fewer than 150K barrels per day. That would add another $10 billion of income. So, in the most optimistic scenario where China buys our oil without discount and all the countries do what the IRGC wants them to do, our income from this strategy would add up to $25 billion.

That's still about 30%-40% less than what it was before the US naval blockade on Iran. Not to mention that the chance of the first scenario ever happening is pretty unlikely as well because 1. the Strait of Hormuz is leaky, 2. not all countries will pay the IRGC their transit fee, 3. Arabs will soon replace and bypass the Strait of Hormuz in a couple of years.

So, why choose a stupid strategy that reduces your income by about 35% and is unsustainable in the long run? Iran should secure nukes, and guarantee its right to close the Strait of Hormuz in war time. Imposing a transit fee during peace time is unsustainable.