Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Reichsmarschall]

Get it done or oil up for the biggest steam roll of recorded history.

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[Tehrani021]

Get it done or oil up for the biggest steam roll of recorded history.

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May Allah guide Sean McCarthy!

 

[Tehrani021]

Correct! However, irrelevant. Dreams are nice. Practice not so much.

Practically it can be done if those international players had the will to do it, and Iran would be left in a reactionary position again. Hence why Iran needs nukes...as a matter of urgency now

 

[vmro]

Sadly, destroying Iran's nuclear capability is one of the strongest points of agreement between Israel, US, Europe, and the GCC.

How??? Pressure before this very last Israeli attacks on Iran was to avoid the nuclear facilities, which they had to agree... it can be two sides sword...

 

[tsunset]

Sadly, destroying Iran's nuclear capability is one of the strongest points of agreement between Israel, US, Europe, and the GCC.

But again, why are they backing off at every single opportunity and excuse they have, including gigantic justification to strike Iran nuclear sites?

They are all like PGCC, they dream of a war against Iran and destroy nuclear facilities, yet they back off at every single opportunity they have

Agreeing is something, doing it is another

 

[vmro]

But again, why are they backing off at every single opportunity and excuse they have, including gigantic justification to strike Iran nuclear sites?

They are all like PGCC, they dream of a war against Iran and destroy nuclear facilities, yet they back off at every single opportunity they have

Agreeing is something, doing it is another

They are against nuclear-armed Iranian military, and Iran must prove that they have atomic bombs to be considered as the part of the nuclear-armed club...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Israel didnot hold back in its failed strike. Nothing will change on that front, but one thing can be certain, and that is that Trump is not going to get the USA involved in a war with Iran. He wants to think of legacy and that is not foreign wars.

 

[UKBengali]

Israel didnot hold back in its failed strike. Nothing will change on that front, but one thing can be certain, and that is that Trump is not going to get the USA involved in a war with Iran. He wants to think of legacy and that is not foreign wars.

Some here think that Trump will go to war with Iran to protect the entity.

He will talk tough like he did with N Korea but do nothing - Iran has so much better offensive and defensive power than when Trump was last time in office.

 

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[Developereo]

Russia already supplies Europe via India.

If ME oil is blocked, US/Europe will lift sanctions and buy directly from Russia which can increase production to meet any shortfall.

Also, Norway and the US have a lot of oil and gas. For decades, the US saved its own resources and bought from others to use up their resources. It was a strategic decision.

 

[Developereo]

How??? Pressure before this very last Israeli attacks on Iran was to avoid the nuclear facilities, which they had to agree... it can be two sides sword...

But again, why are they backing off at every single opportunity and excuse they have, including gigantic justification to strike Iran nuclear sites?

They are all like PGCC, they dream of a war against Iran and destroy nuclear facilities, yet they back off at every single opportunity they have

Agreeing is something, doing it is another

What is different this time is that this is Trump's last chance to do it and he will be desperate to leave his mark on Middle East history.

 

[Liquidator]

What is different this time is that this is Trump's last chance to do it and he will be desperate to leave his mark on Middle East history.

I don't think he would want to leave a bad mark. An attack on Iran would be catastrophic.

I am hopeful he means it when he says the killing should stop and his dealings with NK can be a lesson. We should also appreciate how in practice he treated IK despite his rhetoric about a muslim ban.

Anyway, Israel can't afford to drag this out for another year....it may face an insurgency problem with thousands of fighters flocking to Lebanon/ Syria.

He should recognise that it's in Israeli interest to stop the blood lust esp in Lebanon. However from Israel perspective they have pretty much met their objectives in Gaza....

 

[UKBengali]

If ME oil is blocked, US/Europe will lift sanctions and buy directly from Russia which can increase production to meet any shortfall.

Also, Norway and the US have a lot of oil and gas. For decades, the US saved its own resources and bought from others to use up their resources. It was a strategic decision.

I really think you have little to no idea how production of oil and gas fields work.

In simple terms, even if it was possible, it would take many years and 10s of billions of US dollars of investments to increase production by any useful amount. A lot of fields are already working at maximum economic production capacity. Only a few countries like KSA maintain spare capacity but that is only like 1 million barrels a day.

You just need to let this go as the consequences of loss of Iranian oil production would be massive. Of course Iran has already told the US that it would destroy all Gulfie oil and gas fields if its own are attacked.

No one is attacking Iranian oil facilities unless there is an all-out war and US will lose badly, Iran heavily damaged but the entity destroyed and wiped off the face of the planet.

 

[Khansaheeb]

I understand that but we are responsible for Iranian lives first. From a game theoretic point of view, if Iran doesn't respond to a violation of its sovereignty, we can expect more attacks like this to follow. The taboo of Israel attacking Iran directly has been broken and if it goes unpunished, it will hugely hurt Iran's deterrence not only against Israel but also against US-backed regimes in the region.

This is pretty much like the situation with Soleimani's assassination. The regime decided to deescalate and it only led to further aggression by the West. In particular, now that Trump is back, a signal of weakness will only lead to further aggression by them.

Yes, Hezbollah is indeed important for Iran. Hamas played dirty in Syria but I would say that Hamas was also an important piece of puzzle against Israel. But Hamas committed suicide with October 7th and it dragged Iran into an unwanted situation without informing us. I still doubt that some factions inside Hamas did it intentionally. I don't trust Ikhwan Al-Muslimin. Both Qatar and Turkey have strategic ties with the US and NATO and it's hard to trust them.

With Trump in power an attack by NATO for Israel on Iran is inevitable. All this money and slaughter the Zions don't want it wasted so they will focus on and attack the one key country that is resisting. With two nuclear pwoers Pakistan and China behind Iran it becomes a highly risky enterprise to attack iran. So let's see what dastardly scheme the Zions have up their sleeve. Most likely as they need time to digest Palestine they will just scare Iran off until they are ready, perhaps in a few decades time. Zions are playing a long patient strategic game.