Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Iran definitely needs nuclear weapons if it doesn't already have them...

Trump only respects countries like North Korea who doesn't give a sh!t about US pressure when it comes to developing weapons necessary for survival, deterrence and victory.

North Korea is still under sanctions and an international pariah that relies on Russia and China to survive.

Nuclear weapons won’t get Iran free from the shackles of trade embargo, sanctions, and exclusion from trade with most of the Western world. It would prevent Iran from a land invasion, which is a remote possibility anyway given the terrain and size of Iran.

So nuclear weapons doesn’t solve the problem for Iran unless it plans to acquire them only to give them away as negotiation pawns.

 

[UKBengali]

North Korea is still under sanctions and an international pariah that relies on Russia and China to survive.

Nuclear weapons won’t get Iran free from the shackles of trade embargo, sanctions, and exclusion from trade with most of the Western world. It would prevent Iran from a land invasion, which is a remote possibility anyway given the terrain and size of Iran.

So nuclear weapons doesn’t solve the problem for Iran unless it plans to acquire them only to give them away as negotiation pawns.

True but there is probably only another 5-10 years where the west would have this power anymore.

Iran may just want to stay as a "threshold" state officially where it is close(weeks away from assembling multiple devices) and also has fully tested delivery systems ready to deliver the quickly assembled warheads.

In some sense nuclear weapons are not that important as long as Iran has the capability to destroy US bases, "decaptitate" US Gulfie puppets and also the entity with its conventional arsenal. That would deter the US sufficiently from even launching an airstrike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

 

[SolarWarden]

All Iran's Supreme leader has to do is call Trump the toughest and smartest genius to ever lead the US and he will melt like butter and want to be besties with him. It may sound funny but I'm not far off. Before Trump met Kim Trump threaten to nuke him but later Kim said something nice/positive about Trump and Trump went to go talk to him.

He has absolute respect for Xi, to Trump it is just business the whole tariffs thing Iran can easily get Trump to start talking to them. I think Bibi is in for a surprise Trump and his Jew family are going to force him to make concessions for sequel to Abraham accords. Palestine is finally going to be a legit state.

 

[UKBengali]

All Iran's Supreme leader has to do is call Trump the toughest and smartest genius to ever lead the US and he will melt like butter and want to be besties with him.

 

[Immortals]

True but there is probably only another 5-10 years where the west would have this power anymore.

Banking on the collapse of Western world order is not a wise strategy. As history has shown us, empires can take centuries to fall after their “critical peak”.

Everyone says China will steal the glory. But ignore that by 2100, Chinese population will drop to below 700M.

With AGI, AI, and quantum computers, the future powers are quite unclear. The first to be able to weaponize AGI and automate large parts of their economy before the population death spiral will likely come out on top.

Again this is assuming WW3 doesn’t occur in within the next 10 years

 

[Bengal71]

All Iran's Supreme leader has to do is call Trump the toughest and smartest genius to ever lead the US and he will melt like butter and want to be besties with him. It may sound funny but I'm not far off.

Could've been true if Jared Kushner wasn't his son-in-law. I don't think Trump really has anything against the Palestinians, it's Jared.

 

[vmro]

All Iran's Supreme leader has to do is call Trump the toughest and smartest genius to ever lead the US and he will melt like butter and want to be besties with him. It may sound funny but I'm not far off.

But previously they were both presidents, for Obama deal...maybe should keep that level

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think Bibi is in for a surprise Trump and his Jew family are going to force him to make concessions for sequel to Abraham accords. Palestine is finally going to be a legit state.

last time he let Kushner and Bibi design the plan and didn't even involve Palestinians, it was a farce

 

[Developereo]

Could've been true if Jared Kushner wasn't his son-in-law. I don't think Trump really has anything against the Palestinians, it's Jared.

Trump's life is centered around New York City Metro area which has a strong presence of rich Jews. They are important to his business dealings and they both share one other thing: no matter how much money they make, they will never, ever gain acceptance into the Old Money, WASP Brahmin class.

 

[mulj]

North Korea is still under sanctions and an international pariah that relies on Russia and China to survive.

Nuclear weapons won’t get Iran free from the shackles of trade embargo, sanctions, and exclusion from trade with most of the Western world. It would prevent Iran from a land invasion, which is a remote possibility anyway given the terrain and size of Iran.

So nuclear weapons doesn’t solve the problem for Iran unless it plans to acquire them only to give them away as negotiation pawns.

you can not have both, in the current world i would prefer obtaining nuclear weapon, once you obtain you can solve isolation issue with isolation of oil flow from hormuz if they choose to choke you, north korea does not have that option.

 

[Persian Gulf]

you can not have both, in the current world i would prefer obtaining nuclear weapon, once you obtain you can solve isolation issue with isolation of oil flow from hormuz if they choose to choke you, north korea does not have that option.

declaring war on global trade is not a good solution

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran definitely needs nuclear weapons if it doesn't already have them...

Trump only respects countries like North Korea who doesn't give a sh!t about US pressure when it comes to developing weapons necessary for survival, deterrence and victory.

US can destroy NK in under two minutes, if it came down to it.

Everybody knows. And unfortunately, nobody will utter even a pipsqueak.

Fat Kim got 10 nukes (with questionable delivery/ reliability). The US got 5,000 and the means to deliver them anywhere on the planet with high accuracy.

 

[mulj]

declaring war on global trade is not a good solution

if you have nuclear umbrella it is if not any other option.
i understand your concerns as country treading wool carefully but if you are getting isolated more beyond current conditions then it would be yours probably only option for self preservation as current country or to bend the knee to the west.

 

[Developereo]

you can not have both, in the current world i would prefer obtaining nuclear weapon, once you obtain you can solve isolation issue with isolation of oil flow from hormuz if they choose to choke you, north korea does not have that option.

US doesn't really need Middle East oil. The US learned from the 1970s and has become fully self sufficient, even a net exporter of oil.

How much petroleum does the United States import and export? - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

In 2023, the United States imported about 8.51 million barrels per day (b/d) of petroleum from 86 countries. Petroleum includes crude oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids (HGLs), refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel, and biofuels. Crude oil imports of about 6.48 million b/d accounted for about 76% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports.

In 2023, the United States exported about 10.15 million b/d of petroleum to 173 countries and 3 U.S. territories (American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands). Crude oil exports of about 4.06 million b/d accounted for 40% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -1.64 million b/d, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 1.64 million b/d in 2023.

The country that will suffer most from Middle East oil problems is China.

 

[UKBengali]

Banking on the collapse of Western world order is not a wise strategy. As history has shown us, empires can take centuries to fall after their “critical peak”.

Everyone says China will steal the glory. But ignore that by 2100, Chinese population will drop to below 700M.

With AGI, AI, and quantum computers, the future powers are quite unclear. The first to be able to weaponize AGI and automate large parts of their economy before the population death spiral will likely come out on top.

Again this is assuming WW3 doesn’t occur in within the next 10 years

No one is "banking" on collapse of the west but as China and the rest of the "Global South" rises then the relative power of the west declines.

With such an interconnected world, falls and rises can happen much faster than in the past when sometimes contemporary superpowers of their day like Rome and China pretty much had next to nil interactions with each other.

An "inflection point' will most likely happen in the 2030s when China has created an alternative technological and economic system, something the Soviet Union never managed. This will also allow others like Indonesia and Turkey the "breathing room" to develop to their full potential during the next 1-2 decades as the west will have no power to "contain" their development.

We will have to see at what point the west is just another powerful pole in the world but I cannot see them "hanging on" to their current dominant power beyond the 2030s.