Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

Possibly, but they could get something else from Russia for the drones and could get Chinese aircraft. It was totally within Iranian capacity to build a fleet of 100-150 J-10C in the last 10 years. They simply sat there and practically grounded their air force.

They would have been uo against F35s.
Silly idea.

The airforce is israels strength. Why try to beat them on their terms? Iran has forced Israel to play on Iranian terms, ballistic missiles decimating anywhere, anytime with accuracy.

 

[Bengal71]

I heard some people say the Iranians underrated Chinese offerings. But I think they actually tried to buy J10s right? But they didn't have the cash, china rejected their oil barter deal

That comes later, first they need to have the serious intention of building an AF. They simply didn't have that.

 

[Toxic]

Possibly, but they could get something else from Russia for the drones and could get Chinese aircraft. It was totally within Iranian capacity to build a fleet of 100-150 J-10C in the last 10 years. They simply sat there and practically grounded their air force.

Again, hindsight, even the PAF only relatively recently embraced the J-10C, PAF was interested in the J-10 since the early 2000s it was one of the competitors to F-16 block 52 but back then it simply wasn't mature enough it still used Russian engines and other components.

 

[Musings]

They wont use nukes if they did then we can expect the same in Ukraine and Taiwan

Why is Trump going to wait 2 weeks to make that decision?
Israel will be just rubble in 2 weeks

 

[mangekyo]

Why is Trump going to wait 2 weeks to make that decision?
Israel will be just rubble in 2 weeks

Because he withdrew from the JCPOA believing he could negotiate a better deal than Obama. He also called Obama a war hawk and said there would be no wars under Trump, because Trump is the best negotiator in the world.

 

[Toxic]

Why is Trump going to wait 2 weeks to make that decision?
Israel will be just rubble in 2 weeks

Ok this is a massive stretch

 

[Bengal71]

They would have been uo against F35s.
Silly idea.

The airforce is israels strength. Why try to beat them on their terms? Iran has forced Israel to play on Iranian terms, ballistic missiles decimating anywhere, anytime with accuracy.

I am talking about F-16s and F-15s. They have about 174 F-16, 66 F-15 and only 45 F-35.

J-10 could have dealt with the F-16s and F-15s, that's the bulk of the force. 45 units of F-35 could not generate the amount of sorties they are generating now. So a big percentage of stand off bomb and missiles attacks by F-16 and F-15s could have been thwarted.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

Well, it's been fun..........

Use multiple GBU-57 bombs then

 

[Toxic]

I am talking about F-16s and F-15s. They have about 174 F-16, 66 F-15 and only 45 F-35.

J-10 could have dealt with the F-16s and F-15s, that's the bulk of the force. 45 units of F-35 could not generate the amount of sorties they are generating now. So a big percentage of stand off bomb and missiles attacks by F-16 and F-15s could have been thwarted.

Exactly the vast majority of strikes are coming from F-16s and 15s, currently even Israeli drones are operating over Iran with relative impunity so the role of the F-35 is essentially done.

 

[Tabmachine]

interesting discussion on the conflict:



Asia Society Trustees Vali Nasr, Majid Khadduri professor of International Affairs and Middle East Studies at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS); and Hamid Biglari, partner, chief strategy officer, and chairman of Asset Management and Financial Services at RedBird Capital Partners, discuss Iran's future in the Middle East. Asia Society Policy Institute Managing Director Rorry Daniels delivers introductory remarks.

 

[Farhan23]

I am talking about F-16s and F-15s. They have about 174 F-16, 66 F-15 and only 45 F-35.

J-10 could have dealt with the F-16s and F-15s, that's the bulk of the force. 45 units of F-35 could not generate the amount of sorties they are generating now. So a big percentage of stand off bomb and missiles attacks by F-16 and F-15s could have been thwarted.

It can also deal with F-35 and F-22.. It has long range BVR.. But Iran is sanctioned and i doubt it would be removed for sometime hence J10 is unlikely

 

[Shakehands]

Peaceful Bombing.

 

[Toxic]

I think a American strike is more or less decided at this point but the question still remains how and when it will be done.

 

[Toxic]

It can also deal with F-35 and F-22.. It has long range BVR

Not unless they get very close.

 

[Farhan23]

Not unless they get very close.

no not necessary