Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

You're probably some dopey kid so I'll be nice. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. DOD had a briefing and 12 GBU-57's were used on Fordow and two on the other.

Seven B2's were used son.

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No, please don't be nice. I'd like to see what you could do.

You're just covering up your failure. When your so-called "Midnight Hammer" was launched, everybody said 3 B-2s flew over Iran and dropped 6 GBU-57s. It's still here. You just have to look it up in the same thread. Like it or not, that is the story. Period.

Now some sources claim 14 GBU-57s have been dropped, but you can't just change your story when your attack has been proven to be futile. You failed to destroy Fordow. And you chose not to destroy the FEP at Natanz, for whatever reason. Now deal with it, instead of talking about low-life losers who exposed the truth to CNN.

Nice graphics by the way. But I thought the B2s that flew from the US were decoys?

 

[Bengal71]

Is there a chance they knew fordow couldn’t be destroyed, but they wanted to see where they would bring the uranium?

Higher chance is Trump wanted to be seen having done something.

 

[Ali_Baba]

-If Fordow isn’t now a hive of activity? It’s done. If the regime isn’t frantically repairing the approach roads? It’s done. If they aren’t pulling all that earth crammed into the tunnel entrances? It’s done.

Mere power interruptions can destroy high-speed centrifuges. They HATE vibration of any kind. (12) 30,000 pound high-order explosive deep penetrators delivered a monumental amount of vibration, let alone explosive effects. My money is on Fordow being rendered useless. Activity- or the lack of it- will be the tell. I doubt the Iranians now have the time or the money to pretend to work on this facility.

logically true, but if they removed the centrifuges and all nuclear material before hand, then there is no need for any activity ? You have to assume that they removed a lot of things from that site knowing it was a target the moment the shooting started. ie thinned it out..

 

[ShapurII]

Higher chance is Trump wanted to be seen having done something.

You nailed it. I mean the US had the chance to 100% obliterate the Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz. Their bunker busters would've done the job, unlike Fordow. Yet, for some reason, they decided not to do this.

 

[Bengal71]

You nailed it. I mean the US had the chance to 100% obliterate the Fuel Enrichment Plant at Natanz. Their bunker busters would've done the job. Yet, for some reason, they decided not to do this.

I remember reading somewhere a long time back that the only way to take out Fordow is by detonating a small nuke underground, the resulting shock wave or earthquake will do the job, not the warhead.

 

[ShapurII]

I remember reading somewhere a long time back that the only way to take out Fordow is by detonating a small nuke underground, the resulting shock wave or earthquake will do the job, not the warhead.

Fordow is tricky. But Natanz was an easy target. The FEP at Natanz could've been fully obliterated by the US, and yet they chose not to do this. I don't know why, but my guess is that Trump, being Trump, wanted to be seen as the hero but also wanted to keep the room for negotiation open.

 

[hussain0216]

What is JF-17 gonna do in front of F-15I,F-16I and F-35Is?

You need to have a banced airforce, with proper kill chains and support from ground radars, A.D and AWACs

It all needs to be interlinked

Remember the actual aircraft is just a platform, it's the BVR that gets the kill


So that would be the PL15 with. 200km range or a SD10 with a 120km.range

Or in future, anything else we can add including Turkish and Pakistani BVRs

Numbers are their own strength

Iranian attempts to make weapons of its own and integrate onto the JF17 is it's own strength

Easy maintenance is it's own strength

15 minute time frame for JF17 landing to taking back off again is it's own strength


Iran can get what it wants, but it needs to plan smart

 

[Bengal71]

Fordow is tricky. But Natanz was an easy target. The FEP at Natanz could've been fully obliterated by the US, and yet they chose not to do this. I don't know why, but my guess is that Trump, being Trump, wanted to be seen as the hero but also wanted to keep the room for negotiation open.

I heard somewhere that the Nataz facility only has IR-1 or IR-2 which are old and Iran doesn't care about them. They are now using IR-6 or 7. Is that true, could this be the reason the US didn't target them?

 

[mulj]

I know you don't want to hear this, but the truth must be told:
India didn't support Iran during the war, and it took back its condemnation of the war, but it didn't really do much against us either. They tried to stay out of the conflict. If we want to severe our ties with some countries, I'm sure that India will be at the bottom of the list.

The UK, France, Germany and a few other European countries fully supported Israel during the war, even condemned Iran for resisting the imposed war and reiterated their mantra "Israel has a right to defend itself". Argentina said Iran was the enemy of the Western civilization. Again, I reiterate that Iraq was an 8-lane expressway for the Israeli Air Force. Jordan participated in the war against us. Qatar allowed the US to launch their attack on Fordow and Natanz from their territory. Russia said that many Israelis were Russian-speaking people and Russia would consider this. It also said that Russia-Israel relations were based on mutual trust.

Trust me, some Europeans and some Arabs are way higher in the list than India. The only thing that India did was to stay out of the conflict, and it was criticized inside India by people like Sonia Gandhi. Not even a single Indian was arrested as a Mossad spy, contrary to what you guys write here all the time. Of course, India will never be seen positively inside Iran after this, mainly because of how Islamophobic and Israeli-loving they are, but to be fair, they weren't really a problem in this war.

It is narrow view, your close connections with india is main obstacle with close military connections with china, you need badly some modern hardware, your dollars made with indians are wortlhless if you can not transfer them into concrete assets.
severing ties with india in exchange making closer connections with pakistan and china is no brainer.

 

[ShapurII]

I heard somewhere that the Nataz facility only has IR-1 or IR-2 which are old and Iran doesn't care about them. They are now using IR-6 or 7. Is that true, could this be the reason the US didn't target them?

I'm not sure about the cascading of our centrifuges at Natanz. We used to operate IR-1, IR-2, IR-2m, IR-4 and IR-6 centrifuges at Natanz. So, assuming that nothing had changed before the war, I doubt that's true.
And also, from what I know previously, could be wrong now, but we do not operate IR-7 in cascades yet. We haven't even mass-produced IR-7 yet.

 

[ShapurII]

It is narrow view, your close connections with india is main obstacle with close military connections with china, you need badly some modern hardware, your dollars made with indians are wortlhless if you can not transfer them into concrete assets.

Explain these "close connections". Other than Chabahar Port, which is already a stalled project, what other "close connections" do we have with them?

We even didn't award them the Farzad-B gas field because of their delay and hesitation, even though their bid was not that bad. I believe the same will happen at Chabahar eventually. They haven't done much there.

 

[coffee_cup]

Why is this gambit dude suddenly active posting on this thread all of a sudden? He wasn't this active posting here during the first 3 days of this War, so what changed?

This guy along with Raptor-Bob are quite possibly paid trolls. Both originate from Vietname/Philipines and are most active on threads where NATO/Zion propaganda has to be pushed.

They will repeat unrelated tweets and posts (check their posts from other threads such as Russia/Ukraine) to get an idea. Same BS over and over again.

"I am an ex US Airforce airman" or whatever to boast own credentials. Whereas in reality perhaps washing airplane tyres, who knows.

 

[Bengal71]

I'm not sure about the cascading of our centrifuges at Natanz. We used to operate IR-1, IR-2, IR-2m, IR-4 and IR-6 centrifuges at Natanz. So, assuming that nothing had changed before the war, I doubt that's true.
And also, from what I know previously, could be wrong now, but we do not operate IR-7 in cascades yet. We haven't even mass-produced IR-7 yet.

Watch from 4:27

 

[mulj]

Explain these "close connections". Other than Chabahar Port, which is already a stalled project, what other "close connections" do we have with them?

We even kicked them out of the Farzad-B gas field because of their delay and hesitation. I believe the same will happen at Chabahar eventually. They haven't done much there.

whatever they are in eyes of pakistan and china, you should drop balancing act in your foreign policy and start doing it on real politic base and deliver concrete agreements, now more than ever your need is rectifying and enhancing your military strentgh and that is the axis around which you should spin your foreign policy, india in that case is simply big surplus and obstacle.
pakistan and china can deliver hundreds of aircrafts and establish proper modern airforce in short time with complementing AD, what is there more to consider?

 

[lightning f57]

CNN and NYT nuff said. They will and have lied about Trump and will lie or allowed to be lied to if it means undermining the Orange man. I posted this earlier...

-If Fordow isn’t now a hive of activity? It’s done. If the regime isn’t frantically repairing the approach roads? It’s done. If they aren’t pulling all that earth crammed into the tunnel entrances? It’s done.

Mere power interruptions can destroy high-speed centrifuges. They HATE vibration of any kind. (12) 30,000 pound high-order explosive deep penetrators delivered a monumental amount of vibration, let alone explosive effects. My money is on Fordow being rendered useless. Activity- or the lack of it- will be the tell. I doubt the Iranians now have the time or the money to pretend to work on this facility.




Iran would have gotten bombed again if it were so "they" want the conflict to continue and at the same time discredit Orange man. These are the same people that made up the Russian collusion hoax these media outlets will never be trusted again which is why they are sinking in ratings.

There is an alternative.

Iran moved out all the advance centrifuges and nuclear material before Israel even attacked to an undisclosed site. If that is the case even if fordo is not damaged much they may not want to use it right now anyway given the worlds attention is on it.