Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Lulldapull]

Check out the extreme Fox propaganda.......



This right here is just retarded!

 

[925boy]

MBS in Tehran next according to reports

Saudis are doing this EITHER because they are afraid of what Iran (or its allies or proxies) will do to KSA, or what Israel may do to them- one or the other IMO. The timing is suspicious because Saudis didnt just pick now to be "friends with the Iranians" (JMO).

 

[FUB]

I doubt Trump stopped Israel's war plans, he probably just advised Israel against it, and he still agreed to ship bombs to Israel in case it "takes that route" against Iran (as long as Israel doesn't expect US to openly and directly support it in a possible strike against Iran).

It is all psyops for the stupid goys on the right who have woken up and realized that their entire government is beholden to a foreign state. This is all an act to show that AIPAC does not control US foreign policy in the Middle East. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Zionist elected DJT. Israelis understand that Iran is the only country standing in their way of complete hegemony in the Middle East. They want to control all trade routes and want everyone to be subservient to them.
The US took out Saddam, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, Houthis, etc.. They either destroyed them with a civil war or kinetic warfare. They want Iran smashed to pieces.

The idiots in the Iranian establishment can not be that stupid.If Iran has nukes, there can be no more threats and no regime change. Netanyahu wants the Iranian leadership sodomized live-streamed online.

 

[Lulldapull]

Saudis are doing this EITHER because they are afraid of what Iran (or its allies or proxies) will do to KSA, or what Israel may do to them- one or the other IMO. The timing is suspicious because Saudis didnt just pick now to be "friends with the Iranians" (JMO).

I believe Irans told da sawdi's dat look......we're happy to give you nukes cuz yous ain't goin get jack shit otherwise. Not in today's world. No chance in hell.......lets get real......

Lets get rid of the Zionists no? ........wes ain't got no drama between each other........

 

[925boy]

Your points are correct, unless there underground agents such as those with jund ullah, ja ish al adl, BLA, and other local traitors who are collaborating with the Zionists and will be part of this commando group.

and what will Iran's armed forces (Army + IRGC + Basij) of 900K-1M people be doing while at most 2-5K "commandos"insert themselves in Iran and go and "destroy" Iran's nuclear facilities? This sounds so much like a video game.

Mind you, US is still VERY cautious about deploying 1 soldier in the ground to fight Iran or its AoR forces.

 

[925boy]

That professor Mearsheimer has analyzed that NYT article forensically.

He said it on his podcast that Israel can’t pull it off alone. Without the US, shetanyahu don’t got the goods and can’t deliver.

Israel can pull it off alone, Israel just can't pull it off alone successfully.

 

[ShapurII]

and what will Iran's armed forces (Army + IRGC + Basij) of 900K-1M people be doing while at most 2-5K "commandos"insert themselves in Iran and go and "destroy" Iran's nuclear facilities? This sounds so much like a video game.

Mind you, US is still VERY cautious about deploying 1 soldier in the ground to fight Iran or its AoR forces.

I believe their first mission would be to keep the operation secret by completely disconnecting Fordow from the outside world before entering it. They would probably do that through cyber warfare and by disconnecting all communication lines to Fordow. After all, Fordow is tens of meters under the ground.

It's a plan that is hard to imagine to be feasible.

 

[tsunset]

I believe their first mission would be to keep the operation secret by completely disconnecting Fordow from the outside world before entering it. They would probably do that through cyber warfare and by disconnecting all communication lines to Fordow. After all, Fordow is tens of meters under the ground.

It's a plan that is hard to imagine to be feasible.

What you said is possible if they directly teleport inside Fordow

Fordow losing contact to outside world will be seen as very suspicious and backup would immediately check what's happening, this is a critical infrastructure, any doubts or suspicious event, they will send hundreds of backup in not even five minutes

The big no is how will they get to Fordow or close to it without using teleportation/invisible caps

I very hardly imagine an helicopter making even 10km inside Iran without being detected by multiple radars from very far away

You can't jump from F-22/35 or B-2, unless they are willing to scotch paratroopers with duct tape inside the internal weapons bay of B-2

 

[925boy]

I believe their first mission would be to keep the operation secret by completely disconnecting Fordow from the outside world before entering it.

Ok. Disconnecting Fordow would most likely trigger strong suspicions and military deployments by Iranian military units near/around Fordow.

They would probably do that through cyber warfare and by disconnecting all communication lines to Fordow. After all, Fordow is tens of meters under the ground.

Most likely wont work (as you probably already know, because Iran has used previous cyber attacks from US and Israel to harden its internal networks and connected sites from outside attacks. Israel's cyber attack would probably only work for a few hrs or days.

It's a plan that is hard to imagine to be feasible.

Boom. I mean, it can only be PDF logic to see Israel lose 5-20K soldiers from fighting small militias like Hamas and Hezbollah and not destroying them, which led to 30%+ of IDF soldiers not showing up for deployment orders, and to conclude from that that Israel is so ready to attack Iranian nuclear sites.

Even 1 Israeli attack on an Iranian nuclear site will give Iran ALL authorizations and justifications to attack anywhere in Israel, because after all, TP1 and TP2 were still restrained operations.

 

[ShapurII]

What you said is possible if they directly teleport inside Fordow

Fordow losing contact to outside world will be seen as very suspicious and backup would immediately check what's happening, this is a critical infrastructure, any doubts or suspicious event, they will send hundreds of backup in not even five minutes

The big no is how will they get to Fordow or close to it without using teleportation/invisible caps

I very hardly imagine an helicopter making even 10km inside Iran without being detected by multiple radars from very far away

You can't jump from F-22/35 or B-2, unless they are willing to scotch paratroopers with duct tape inside the internal weapons bay of B-2

Backup is different from the entire Iranian military. The Americans wanted to pull off a similar plan for saving the US diplomats. It didn't end well for them though, but it failed because of a sand storm, not because we stopped them.

Dude, 5 million illegal Afghans have crossed the border in 2 years. Do you think Israel can't send a few thousand commandos inside Iran in plain clothes? This is probably why Israel claims they need time to prepare for this plan. Obviously, they don't intend to heliboard them to Isfahan or Qom.

They don't even have to enter together at once. They can enter from different borders (and God knows we have plenty of border with neighboring countries, most of them are US-infested, extremely insecure and unguarded by us and we know for sure that the US and Israel are present there, particularly in Erbil, Republic of Azerbaijan, the UAE, Qatar, even Afghanistan and Turkmenistan).

They assembled a quadcopter that crashed into a military facility near Natanz a few years ago. They assassinated Ismail Haiyeh in the middle of Tehran. They assassinated our top nuclear expert with a satellite-controlled machine gun in Damavand (near Tehran). They killed and injured 6 of our nuclear scientists in the middle of Tehran with magnet bombs. So, it's not like Mossad has no presence in Iran and they haven't done similar things before.

It's still a stupid plan though.

 

[Lulldapull]

Backup is different from the entire Iranian military. The Americans wanted to pull off a similar plan for saving the US diplomats. It didn't end well for them though, but it failed because of a sand storm, not because we stopped them.

Dude, 5 million illegal Afghans have crossed the border in 2 years. Do you think Israel can't send a few thousand commandos inside Iran in plain clothes? This is probably why Israel claims they need time to prepare for this plan. Obviously, they don't intend to heliboard them to Isfahan or Qom.

They don't even have to enter together at once. They can enter from different borders (and we have plenty of border with neighboring countries, most of them are extremely insecure and unguarded and we know for sure that the US and Israel are present there, particularly in Erbil, Republic of Azerbaijan, the UAE, Qatar, even Afghanistan and Turkmenistan).

They assembled a quadcopter that crashed into a military facility near Natanz a few years ago. They assassinated Ismail Haiyeh in the middle of Tehran. They assassinated our top nuclear expert with a satellite-controlled machine gun in Damavand. They killed and injured 6 of our nuclear scientists in the middle of Tehran with magnet bombs. So, it's not like Mossad has no presence in Iran and they haven't done similar things before.

It's still a stupid plan though.

In other words, those 'commandos' are already in place no? And like Shetanyahu quipped that he needs until Oct to be fully ready.

Dubai/ Erbil/ Baqu......used for logistics and comms intel/ forward operating bases for operations/ command center.

 

[ShapurII]

In other words, those 'commandos' are already in place no? And like Shetanyahu quipped that he needs until Oct to be fully ready.

Dubai/ Erbil/ Baqu......used for logistics and comms intel/ forward operating bases for operations/ command center.

Could be. And they can enter more agents through our widely open borders. If bare-footed illegal Afghans can do that with $500, why can't Mossad?

However, I don't think this plan (even if it exists) would ever materialize. I mean it was a stupid "plan" to begin with, but now that it has been exposed to the public (even if it's part of their "bad police" vs. "good police" or only as a negotiation tactic, it raises alertness in our intelligence community), it's even harder to carry this out now.

The hardest part of this operation is to execute it in total silence, or create enough chaos for their agents to get away after their missions. So, they either need to orchestrate something really big as a distraction (like a series of huge explosions in Tehran near important locations like the House of the Leader or the residence of the President for distraction), or do all of this in complete silence.

 

[tsunset]

Backup is different from the entire Iranian military. The Americans wanted to pull off a similar plan for saving the US diplomats. It didn't end well for them though, but it failed because of a sand storm, not because we stopped them.

Dude, 5 million illegal Afghans have crossed the border in 2 years. Do you think Israel can't send a few thousand commandos inside Iran in plain clothes? This is probably why Israel claims they need time to prepare for this plan. Obviously, they don't intend to heliboard them to Isfahan or Qom.

They don't even have to enter together at once. They can enter from different borders (and God knows we have plenty of border with neighboring countries, most of them are US-infested, extremely insecure and unguarded by us and we know for sure that the US and Israel are present there, particularly in Erbil, Republic of Azerbaijan, the UAE, Qatar, even Afghanistan and Turkmenistan).

They assembled a quadcopter that crashed into a military facility near Natanz a few years ago. They assassinated Ismail Haiyeh in the middle of Tehran. They assassinated our top nuclear expert with a satellite-controlled machine gun in Damavand (near Tehran). They killed and injured 6 of our nuclear scientists in the middle of Tehran with magnet bombs. So, it's not like Mossad has no presence in Iran and they haven't done similar things before.

It's still a stupid plan though.

Americans tried when Iran had 0 IADS and 0 radar coverage

No matter what they did in the past, sending a commando group comprised of rag tag West Asian terrorists that crossed the borders to raid the number 1 most valuable site in Iran is doomed to fail, if it had even the slightest chance of success, they would have tried decades ago, when the facilities were less guarded with barely any radar coverage and even worse borders. What they did in the past doesn't change anything to the success chances of this. So far all raid attempts were dealt with in recent history (raid of villages and police stations). The fact that they assassinated, sent quadcopters, won't make this plan look more realistic

The spies inside Iran, unless if they are in tens of thousands with advanced weaponry such as drones, ATGM, are not enough to raid that kind of site. And i'll not talk about the "stealth raid" because this is ridiculous and out of real world, we are not in Call of Duty Black Ops

If we were talking about some petrochemical site or a warehouse i would agree it is feasible and even, but we are talking about the most critical site in Iran

If the US assists them, there is no need to do this at all, prolonged air campaign would suffice

 

[ShapurII]

Americans tried when Iran had 0 IADS and 0 radar coverage

No matter what they did in the past, sending a commando group comprised of rag tag West Asian terrorists that crossed the borders to raid the number 1 most valuable site in Iran is doomed to fail, if it had even the slightest chance of success, they would have tried decades ago, when the facilities were less guarded with barely any radar coverage and even worse borders. What they did in the past doesn't change anything to the success chances of this. So far all raid attempts were dealt with in recent history (raid of villages and police stations). The fact that they assassinated, sent quadcopters, won't make this plan look more realistic

The spies inside Iran, unless if they are in tens of thousands with advanced weaponry such as drones, ATGM, are not enough to raid that kind of site. And i'll not talk about the "stealth raid" because this is ridiculous and out of real world, we are not in Call of Duty Black Ops

If we were talking about some petrochemical site or a warehouse i would agree it is feasible and even, but we are talking about the most critical site in Iran

If the US assists them, there is no need to do this at all, prolonged air campaign would suffice

Our radar coverage in the east is still pretty much non-existent. Nothing much has changed since then in that area. Most of our radars cover our Western regions, Isfahan, Qom and Tehran.

Actually, what they have done in the past successfully does change a lot. It's all about risk analysis at this point (it's a hypothetical scenario) and previous success stories do change the predicted outcome of a risky scenario.
I was the person who suggested Iran actually let Mossad acquire our top-secret nuclear documents as a measure to prevent them from doing something stupid and to show them how much we know about nuclear weapons, but if Mossad did actually acquire those physical documents and evidence on their own, they have already infiltrated one of our top-secret nuclear buildings once, and without detection.

Edit: Still not convinced? Stuxnet. The Americans managed to infect our air-gapped network at Natanz and even 20 years after that, nobody knows how they did that. We didn't even know Stuxnet existed for a long while, until Israel decided to aggressively reprogram our centrifuges to rotate faster. The NSA didn't like that idea at all and if it weren't for the stupidity of Israelis, who knows how long Stuxnet would've stayed undetected in our systems?

They don't need tens of thousands of men. Even a few thousand would suffice if utilized properly.

The US is not in favor a military campaign against Iran because it is costly and there's the chance of pro-longed war and ballistic attacks on US assets. They can support Israel in this operation with plausible deniability. Apples and oranges.

 

[tsunset]

Our radar coverage in the east is still pretty much non-existent. Nothing much has changed since then in that area. Most of our radars cover our Western regions, Isfahan, Qom and Tehran.

Actually, what they have done in the past successfully does change a lot. It's all about risk analysis at this point (it's a hypothetical scenario) and previous success stories do change the predicted outcome of a risky scenario.
I was the person who suggested Iran actually let Mossad acquire our top-secret nuclear documents as a measure to prevent them from doing something stupid and to show them how much we know about nuclear weapons, but if Mossad did actually acquire those physical documents and evidence on their own, they have already infiltrated one of our top-secret nuclear buildings once, and without detection.

Edit: Still not convinced? Stuxnet. The Americans managed to infect our air-gapped network at Natanz and even 20 years after that, nobody knows how they did that. We didn't even know Stuxnet existed for a long while, until Israel decided to aggressively reprogram our centrifuges to rotate faster. The NSA didn't like that idea at all and if it weren't for the stupidity of Israelis, who knows how long Stuxnet would've stayed undetected in our systems?

They don't need tens of thousands of men. Even a few thousand would suffice if utilized properly.

The US is not in favor a military campaign against Iran because it is costly and there's the chance of pro-longed war and ballistic attacks on US assets. They can support Israel in this operation with plausible deniability. Apples and oranges.

The documents are renowned bullshit warmongering hasbara claiming that Israeli shinobis stealthly stole some documents in a building, anyone can print documents and write whatever they want, like Iran is going to put the most critical nationwide documents on some table in the middle of a warehouse? Who is seriously going to believe in those pixie stories? It has literally become a meme portraying the Hollywood stories of AngloJews

This hasbara is tied to the F-35s that "flew for hours above Tehran" and in the same category as the "all air defenses destroyed"

Proofless speculative hasbara is not going to make such an operation get closer to reality, again it would have been done back in the days when the situation was worse than now

Also there is no such thing as "top secret nuclear building", or at least since 2003. Those are pure AngloJew lies to make Israel look like top IQ modern ninjas and reinforce the "Israeli IQ better" narrative