Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

Like Russia does?……..

If Russia didn't have nukes , they would assassinated Putin in first week .... what they did to Russia compare to what they did to us like tickling ( Russia ) to butchering their adversary ( Iran )

 

[Ali_Baba]

These are silly rumors bro.

What are we gonna do with 40 J-10 against NATO forces in Iraq and Syria? How much time is needed to produce 40 jets? Its beyond ridiculous.

So, what is your answer on how to reclaim the control of Iranian airspace by Iran then ?!?

 

[OldTwilight]

So, what is your answer on how to reclaim the control of Iranian airspace by Iran then ?!?

we can't do it in 1-2 years and under constant enemy attacks , we have to use mutual destruction option as our last hope ... but it need a leader with courage and some insanity to carry his threat not just throwing empty words

 

[Master Chief]

This is the result of rushing into a ceasefire.

Interesting point this. By all calculations, Iran could have absorbed further Israeli aggression while countering with missiles which would have been costly to Israel. However, it is very possible that Iran simply had depleted its missile stocks and/or lost its launch sites to Israeli raids. Maybe Iran needed to accept the ceasefire to replenish. The question is, has it done so?

 

[Developereo]

Trump, emboldened by Iran’s weak stance, has intensified his threats, declaring that the U.S. will bomb Iran if it determines that Iran still retains uranium enrichment capabilities.
This is no longer a proxy war using Israel as a shield; direct U.S. military invasion is now imminent.
This is the result of rushing into a ceasefire. A country that seeks an early peace and loses the opportunity to fight will inevitably lose its sovereignty and be destroyed.
Can the IRGC still establish a military regime, eliminate the reformists, and prepare for a full scale resistance? To me, it seems hopeless.
The reformists are undoubtedly pressuring Khamenei right now to surrender unconditionally.

What is preventing the Iranians from using the ceasefire for maximum advantage to prepare for the next phase of the war as Israel is doing?

A pause in fighting benefits both sides.

 

[OldTwilight]

What is preventing the Iranians from using the ceasefire for maximum advantage to prepare for the next phase of the war as Israel is doing?

A pause in fighting benefits both sides.

I.R incompetence and old and slow guys at top without having any ally to resupply us immediately.

 

[ShapurII]

Interesting point this. By all calculations, Iran could have absorbed further Israeli aggression while countering with missiles which would have been costly to Israel. However, it is very possible that Iran simply had depleted its missile stocks and/or lost its launch sites to Israeli raids. Maybe Iran needed to accept the ceasefire to replenish. The question is, has it done so?

Highly unlikely as Iran requires at least 10-12 months to replenish its missiles used in combat or its launchers.

And even the Americans admit that Iran has over 3,000 MRBMs. The real number is probably closer to 5,000-6,000. So, I don't think that was the issue.

 

[SABRE]

DPRK wouldn't last 2 days if the US goes after it.

It’s got nothing to fight back with.

Except of course nukes

 

[Brutal.]

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Beat that F**kin racist baby killer goreh to DEATH!!!!!!!!............

 

[muhammed45]

So, what is your answer on how to reclaim the control of Iranian airspace by Iran then ?!?

Crush your opponent to a point that he begs for a ceasefire. Take the hits but deliver strong punches as many as you can.

 

[StrategicBear]

Except of course nukes

Back in the 1950s, the moment US and SK invaded into NK, a gigantic army from the north helped NK beat back the US Allied Forces.

The same "gigantic army" now poised to retake Taiwan back from the Separatists, the same army who will "Liberate the People"

 

[tsunset]

 

[OldTwilight]

without nuke , enemy can punch even harder, they don't have any morale bindings

 

[Ali_Baba]

Crush your opponent to a point that he begs for a ceasefire. Take the hits but deliver strong punches as many as you can.

How can you do that if the thing that you are using to deliver a strong response itself is being destroyed because you have no control over your airspace? I dont think Iran's doctrine expected to lose control over her airspace as quickly as it did. Iran's launchers were being taken out by Israel every night and we saw the drop off in launches near the end.

Iran needs to deny Israel air superiority over its missile launchers so that it can "punish" the wicked, and evil Israel's and for that it needs to rebuild the portion of its IADS that was destroyed via the Spike missiles, drones and commando missions and it needs an airforce that can use to push the IAF back into Iraq. The combination of the IADS and AIrforce can do that.

Agree, that Irans military strategy was odd, it didn't really go for the jugular vein of Israel at any point. May 2-3 good strategic hits, otherwise rather pointless strikes. Is that because precision remains an issue, or because the Iranian military simply does not know how to wage a war. I think it is a big of both imho. Israel went hard for Irans jugular.. but at no point did or could Iran do that.

The objective you have stated is valid, but it cannot do that without rebuilding its IADS and complementing it with a credible air force that it never had before.

Time for calm heads, calculated decisions that need to be executed and for them to mature. As to whether Israel will allow for that is unknown despite all the bluster coming out of Tel Aviv right now. It is obvious that Israel could not have done this operation with the air-to-air refuellers of the UK, USA and Germany and possibly France also as well as the SIGINT of NATO Itself. Will these countries want to get involved in another Israeli operation given thar the first one failed in all of its objectives is an unknown.

I would be interested to see if/when the USA returns to its bases in Qatar, that will give you an indication if the USA is preparing more attacks via its proxy or not.