Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Be dazzled]

Consistent pattern since ceasefire. Arming and reinforcing zions.

 

[ShapurII]

Radioactive warheads are a stop gap measure to stop enemy from using nukes on you for example if you hit a carrier or a warship usa can immediately use nukes on you depending on casualties. After you get nukes you wont need them.

That's my whole point. It won't stop them from using nukes on Iran because it is of no strategic value but even encourages them to do so.
A dirty bomb, even if it's exploded in the air, does not kill many people. It doesn't destroy military bases, hospitals, power plants, energy infrastructure, police stations, air bases, etc. Neither does it render them inhabitable for a long time. The effect will be localized and small and it can be cleaned up.

 

[ShapurII]

Consistent pattern since ceasefire. Arming and reinforcing zions.

This shows how much our strategy of using BMs for deterrence has failed.
The fact that they are using Ben Gurion right after the attack is an epitome of the stupidity of those people who believed ballistic missiles would cripple the IAF.

 

[vizier]

That's my whole point. It won't stop them from using nukes on Iran because it is of no strategic value but even encourages them to do so.
A dirty bomb, even if it's exploded in the air, does not kill many people. It doesn't destroy military bases, hospitals, power plants, energy infrastructure, police stations, air bases, etc. Neither does it render them inhabitable for a long time. The effect will be localized and small and it can be cleaned up.

israel has used uranium based warheads in the last operation so you can install bms with uranium claiming better bunker buster ability for ballistic missiles. Dirty bombs exploded on the ground have minimal effect and can be cleaned. Dirty bombs exploding at 3000ft would have a more dispersion effect especially if it is in dust form and cannot be cleaned easily and they won't live within 10kms of explosion even no one is killed immediately.

It is an area denial weapon not a destruction weapon which in israels case of their ideology is unaccaptable for them and the occult groups.

"bunker busting" uranium rods and fragmentation warhead would also work to a degree if you hit the right places as well.

But ofcourse nukes are the ultimate much better deterrent but if you cant make them in time you can't stay undeterrant you need alternative stop gap measures.

 

[mangekyo]

You can’t beat Israel just by bombing bases or shooting down jets. Even if Iran destroys their airfields, Israel can use places like Cyprus or other friendly bases, and the US will replace anything they lose practically for free. Sanctions and the UN won’t touch them.

The only real way for Iran to win is to make Israelis want the war to stop. That means making it too costly and stressful for their own people to keep supporting it.

Iran would have to hit critical economic targets that actually hurt: the Ashkelon and Hadera power stations, the Sorek and Ashdod desalination plants, the Port of Haifa, the Port of Ashdod. Those aren’t easy to replace with US aid. Cyber attacks on Bank Leumi, Bank Hapoalim, Israel’s electric grid operator, the railway.

It also means hitting the places where people go to relax, get from A to B like metro stations, malls, and big shopping centers. Spread fear and disrupt daily life. Destroy police stations. Force constant blackouts so people can’t cool their homes. Make them stand in line or take extra steps just to get water and food. Make normal life so miserable and stressful that it becomes unbearable to keep fighting.

But Iran doesn’t have enough missiles or launchers for this type of war.

 

[FUB]

Fake news ?

 

[vizier]

This shows how much our strategic of using BMs for deterrence has failed.
The fact that they are using Ben Gurion right after the attack is an epitome of the stupidity of those people who believed ballistic missiles would cripple the IAF.

cluster warheads can be used some droplets can be programmed which dont detonate immediately but proximity fuse or similar afterwards. It will complicate cleaning up the runway and gain more time if the jets are still on the ground. Otherwise a single large crater or two by bms can be filled with cement pretty fast and planes will take off again after that.

 

[ShapurII]

Fake news ?

Highly likely to be fake. This report was released last night but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

[tsunset]

Fake news ?

Bullshit

Why is the footage night time? It's 5pm in Iran

 

[Sami_1]

Israel showed everyone 2 things:

- it's actually not that hard to cripple Iran. Day 1 demonstrated that. Iran was unable to retaliate instantly. Shocking.

- Israel cannot do it alone. This gave Iran time to regroup. But....Israel demonstrated that as long as they do the leg work....only a little direct assistance would be needed. Just a few sorties and a few stealth bombing runs every now and again would be sufficient.

I fear for Iran if their strategy is to just sit there and wait to get attacked because if they attack first "it will look bad"....the west don't care about "looking bad"....long term we need to aspire to such an ability. It will take time but it begins with a shift in attitude. The west will do what they want with or without an excuse. They'll just make one up if needed.

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Today....they've stopped bothering making it up. They just do it.

It's clear you're misunderstanding the situation.
Israel has been planning to strike and infiltrate Iran for years, and spies inside Iran have been working for more than two years. Just because Iran was able to respond on the first day and gradually responded doesn't mean it collapsed. On the contrary, Israel has lost everything.
You are cowards. Iran has been under siege and an arms embargo for more than 20 years, and you and the Gulf pressured Russia not to arm Iran. You cannot compete with anyone strong or capable of modernizing you. These are your traits: baseness, cowardice, and treachery, because you are not considered men.
The most important thing you lost is security for Israel. The entire world was happy with the attack on Tel Aviv.
Even though Israel wasn't fighting alone, the French, British, and Americans in Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia all considered Israel's air defense system. Therefore, you alone are very weak. Iran wasn't fighting Israel, but rather the entire Western Crusader campaign. Even within Israel, you were fighting mercenaries from Ethiopia, Africa, and India. The Indians were not only spies inside Iran for the Israeli Mossad, but they are also fighting inside Israel because your army is in shambles.

Yet, Israel suffered greatly. You conceal your losses, and the greatest of them is that Israel's attack routes have become well-known. If Iran struck Israeli air bases, an oil refinery, power stations, research centers, Israeli military factories, and intelligence offices in 12 days, the Iranians were not able to penetrate Israel. This demonstrates that you are weaker and easier to penetrate.

You sought the help of the Americans to strike Iran's reactors despite the neutralization of Iran's air defenses. This demonstrates the extreme weakness of your country, and that you are a state unable to survive. The regime did not fall or falter as you planned. In other words, you also failed on this point.

Your goals throughout the entire war failed. The Iranian nuclear program is working. The Iranian regime has not fallen. Iran is rebuilding its air defenses. Its latest ballistic missiles have not yet struck Israel. According to the Israeli air defense system's experience, it lost 800 missiles, more than the ballistic missiles launched by Iran, unlike what you mentioned. It was launched by American air defense systems in Iraq and Jordan, in addition to the use of American and European fighter jets to strike Iranian drones.

America will withdraw from the Middle East in 2027.

If a Russian-European war breaks out in the next two years, your state will be completely destroyed.

Iran's regime has not fallen, nor has its military capability collapsed. Losses have occurred and it has begun to regain its capabilities, while you...

Your project has failed, with the mass exodus from Israel beginning.

There is no longer security in Israel, nor a future.

And the war has not stopped, whether in Gaza or even with Iran.

The continuation of the war will hasten the end of your alleged state.

Netanyahu is accelerating his efforts to ignite the region.

Do you have the ability to wage war against Iran without America? Of course not. And will you tolerate the destruction of the rest of your facilities from Iranian strikes? The war that we are talking about is a test for both sides, not an end, but simply a phase. The Dimona reactor is not far from destruction, and Iran has the ability to strike.

All your plans have failed, whether displacement, ending the Iranian nuclear program, or even ensuring security. Your borders with Lebanon, even the puppet regime in Syria, will not last for 6 months, and the Syrians will demand the liberation of the Golan Heights, not the land you occupy now. You are an illegitimate bastard entity, and therefore the earth will reject you before the people. You are prisoners now. Destroying the Dimona reactor, if Iran strikes it, and the nuclear swarm will rid the earth of you with radioactive contamination that will make your state unviable. What if you are struck by a nuclear bomb? That will be your end, and the earth will be cleansed of you. Perhaps the preoccupation of Orban and America with their conflicts with China and Russia means your end, because you will not be able to confront the people, and there are those who are preparing to reap the fruits within two years.

 

[TallGuy]

What we have learned from the Israeli doctrine so far and limitions..

1. They are very competitive in there tit for tat strikes calculations which I find hilarious but they are very competitive in that regard (Is this important observation nah but good to add to it)

2. They do miscalculate alot especially conventionally they don´t realize how tough conventional wars are in the modern era this is not 70-80 years ago where one Tank COULD win you the entire war (But they are now understanding their limitions here)

3. Accepting ceasefires is no go rather have prolonged wars with them but never accept premature ceasefires with them much better you and them dug it out without ceasefire being on the table at all.

4. Their civilians will flee under any serious invasion and they will not fight for the state this much is settled.

5. The Jews dislike dying and even dislike admitting to their losses which I find it interesting?? Why hide your deaths?

6. In any attempt to sweep the place and clean it one must ethablish fire power over the ocean meaning destroy all navy US objects INCLUDING aircraft carriers via under water drones or fighter jets or hypersonic missiles.

7. all their fighting is the airforce and if you nullify that Israel will be open like a snake that got it´s mouth tapped or a flipped turtle it won´t be able to defend itself. With Laser weapons picking up speed airforce could become obsolote in 10 or 15 years.

8. Non-nuclear EMP attack would be nice as it would eliminate everything that is electricity in Israel meaning no interceptions and this will lead to panic and mass fleeing.

Conclusion: When Israel falls it´s gonna be rather very easy mark my words it will be a clean sweep and notice much faster falls then the ANA and Ghani´s regime.

Also never fight a war you can´t win but only fight it when you know you can win it. Sun Tzu said every war is won before it begins this means wars are won or lost in the preparation stage which could be months or years before the actual war

All at the moment Iran Need to find a way to deny airspace in Iraq and Syria/Jordan

Get the Tankers!! conventional or unconventional way - cut the reach of Entity Air force.

Ya ALLAH!! SOMEBODY in IRAN Listen to me!!!

 

[TallGuy]

The entity air force is flying daily in air space of Iran.

yes, after ceasefire, Radar network is so bad, on the last day they destroyed the only proper working Long range radar.

Then whatever they have - gets Jammed.

Iran needs to develop & think outside the box to first cut the reach!

May be some people here can give opinion how? some serious proposals should be discussed.

 

[tsunset]

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I dont know if you guys have noticed:

if IR gets to keep nuc. tech., IR does not even need to wage a war..

seems entity has shot itself in the foot, the more it fights, the more missiles will land.

only way out is, changing the regime!

 

[ShapurII]

@Persian Gulf @mangekyo @OldTwilight @muhammed45 @BigMela2onin

Very important points by Fereydoon Abbasi, guys.