Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BonPlan said:
Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?
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Yes, you seem delusional or ignorant of history.

Their society is based on theft and violence. If they stop they will start killing each other. They must constantly be at war, to obtain land for their population to steal and to turn their predisposition for violence outward. A not insignificant portion of their society believes everything from Sinai to Iraq belongs to the, what happens when the violence stops and that isn't achieved? Do they just shrug their shoulders? I don't think that will be the case.
 
BonPlan said:
Even so, Egypt is a far too big piece cake for israel, and the two have good relation with uncle Sam.
Jordan ? more grounds for what purpose?

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?
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You speak the truth here but folks here are sort of little bit out it and on the extreme end. They fail to humanize Israel.

Israel has been in exhausting meat-grinder and most of them assume Israel can print forces in a printer or something. Israel wants to end hosilities and reset, rebuild it´s air defense capability and most important recruit new manpower from the bottom as Israel is dealing with severe manpower shortage crisis.

This round of war was also imposed upon Israel
 
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Farhan23 said:
You speak the truth here but folks here are sort of little bit out it and on the extreme end. They fail to humanize Israel.

Israel has been in exhausting meat-grinder and most of them assume Israel can print forces in a printer or something. Israel wants to end hosilities and reset, rebuild it´s air defense capability and most important recruit new manpower from the bottom as Israel is dealing with severe manpower shortage crisis
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They have dehumanized themselves, you do not spend 2 years killing children and come out mentally unscathed. It would be a mistake to expect rational human-like logic from them. It has been a mistake by IR to expect rational human-like logic from the west during these negotiations.
 
BigMela2onin said:
They have dehumanized themselves, you do not spend 2 years killing children and come out mentally unscathed. It would be a mistake to expect rational human-like logic from them. It has been a mistake by IR to expect rational human-like logic from the west during these negotiations.
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They have severe manpower crisis it seems like they lost a generation in this war without exaggeration. close 100k is handicapped from injuries while their true death toll is close to 150k which is hidden as overseas deaths.

One most be intellectual brain-dead to believe in the number of casualities they are releasing.

Just from the 12 day strikes they have lost close to 2000 people as in death toll but all of it was hidden from public and less then 50 declared.
 
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muz said:
Brother you are seriously downplaying the Iranian losses
Their biggest loss is those scientists Khameni yesman (Military Officers) can be replaced scientists are not
My conclusion is this short war ended in atleast a partial Israeli victory
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The only way to be honest and fair for Iran to win is to go full nuclear to have it backfire on Israel that actually striking Iran has made them know the right move was to be a full fledged nuclear state. I think losing Iranian scientists is definitely bad but by now the knowledge has become widespread Israel would have to kill dozens if not hundreds more and unless Iran has seriously not learned their lessons from this war have moved them all to secure and I mean very secure locations I like many others dont believe the vast majority of Irans enriched nuclear material was destroyed and I honestly believe those new enrichment facilities that were being built and not targeted by America or Israel if they haven’t become operational before the war are going to be very soon that’s why iaea has basically said Iran can go back to enrichment very quickly
 
Developereo said:
They can build their Chosen People homeland in Germany and live in peace there.

Palestine is not available, sorry.
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Burglar breaks into your home, starts living there and says all I want is to live in peace. God promised me your home bla bla bla.

This Indian pretending to be a white French is beyond stupidity.
 
Trump is coming for the nobel peace prize
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India/Pakistan (Both sides confirm economic pressure/incentives from US ended conflict) Israel/Iran (Permanent ceasefire after US bombing) Rwanda/Congo (peace agreement negotiated and signed in the White House) Kosovo–Serbia (Normalization brokered by Trump) In progress: Israel/Hamas (Israel accepted US ceasefire) Plus the Abraham Accords, keeping Venezuela from attacking Guiana, and getting NATO to invest billions in European defense. Imagine being so Trump deranged you can't admit this is good.
 
Farhan23 said:
Imagine being so Trump deranged you can't admit this is good.
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Imagine being such a simpleton that you think pausing a war you have started deserves a Nobel peace prize.
And the ceasefire is not permanent. Who told you so? We are expecting the next round soon.
 
BonPlan said:
Did israel used nuc in 1973 war, despite the very difficult situation? NO.
Did and do israel explain that they want to eradicate Iran from the earth? NO (iran did since 40 years).
I think they only want to live in peace. It's possible : see Egypt case.
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Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza and attacked five countries in last two years and here you are singing about peace. Do you know how they have persecuted and brutalized the Palestinians for 100 years ?

Iran's only crime is supporting the Palestinians. If they give that up, all the West's issues will be resolved immediately. Egypt and Jordan are servile Western collaborator dictatorships, West wants Iran the same way.
 
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Master Chief said:
There is nothing remotely "sophisticated" about this method of warfare, whose end game is total eradication of preexisting and flourishing peoples -
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I think you're living in a bubble of zombie facts, MC. That the bubble is foisted upon millions by the powers-that-be does not make it true.
 
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Well Pashinyan already decided to cut off Iran from Armenia. There is no future westward for Iran unless it involves full surrender.

I underestimated the euro-apes admittedly, they have been setting this up for longer than I expected. Russia will be surrounded and then they will move on China through central Asia if they take out Iran. I don't expect Putin will turn this coming war or Ukraine nuclear. A very dark future awaits humanity.
 
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