Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

The only game-changer now is if China starts a new war against India over the border, tying India up so Pakistan can send some planes to enforce at least a No-Fly Zone over Western Iran and then "accidentally shoot down IDF planes" with PL-15 missiles if near.

But this will be a WW3 Scenario with no turning back.

well if we wanted to accept this kind of humiliation , USA is better option

 

[tsunset]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

 

[BonPlan]

myth shredded?
It's all the contrary. They killed Haniyeh inside a state property inside Teheran, They decapitated Hezbollah main leaders with bipers, Hamas is nearly over, Syria is no more a threat and they strike Iran nuc and missile factories with nearly no loss. => they reinstalled classical deterrence.

 

[BonPlan]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

Did israel used nuc in 1973 war, despite the very difficult situation? NO.
Did and do israel explain that they want to eradicate Iran from the earth? NO (iran did since 40 years).
I think they only want to live in peace. It's possible : see Egypt case.

 

[Farhan23]

myth shredded?
It's all the contrary. They killed Haniyeh inside a state property inside Teheran, They decapitated Hezbollah main leaders with bipers, Hamas is nearly over, Syria is no more a threat and they strike Iran nuc and missile factories with nearly no loss. => they reinstalled classical deterrence.

This is premature claim..

Yes Haniyeh was killed in tehren which shows Iranian intelligence lapse nothing else.

Yes Hezbollah has accepted sus ceasefire deal but still here. Hamas is not nearly over, Houthis are also there firing daily. Iran is not over either (But I do believe an actual war with Iran will happen soon with invasions involved) But Iran is there perhaps weakened tech wise but still there. Assad is gone in Syria

 

[HAIDER]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

Right now only Erdogan can do something, once he is gone, doubt any leader will come to look at this direction.. @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Pakistan build and setup there missile facilities, but nothing very significant.

 

[Farhan23]

Right now only Erdogan can do something, once he is gone, doubt any leader will come to look at this direction.. @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Pakistan build and setup there missile facilities, but nothing very significant.

The Region will go nuclear with time. KSA is rumored to be one already while Turkey can get it easily.

I think the next 10 years will be very important as technology will just improve across the board I am not talking about nuclear technology but just technology in general

 

[BigMela2onin]

Did israel used nuc in 1973 war, despite the very difficult situation? NO.
Did and do israel explain that they want to eradicate Iran from the earth? NO (iran did since 40 years).
I think they only want to live in peace. It's possible : see Egypt case.

If you think they don’t have plans for Egypt and Jordan you're quite gullible

 

[BonPlan]

If you think they don’t have plans for Egypt and Jordan you're quite gullible

Even so, Egypt is a far too big piece cake for israel, and the two have good relation with uncle Sam.
Jordan ? more grounds for what purpose?

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?

 

[ShapurII]

Not needed if you really close the border........

That's the reason why we're in this mess. It's people like you. Even if the border is closed, intelligence agencies like Mossad will still be able to infiltrate Iran.

Every Afghan immigrant should be fingerprinted and iris scanned before deportation. Otherwise, next time it will be much worse.

 

[ShapurII]

How do you know that they are not collecting data? I heard that there is a massive border under construction.

Multiple reports by people, including Afghans that have been deported already.
None of them say anything about being fingerprinted or their biometric data being taken at the border.

They should be photographed, fingerprinted, iris-scanned, even their height should be recorded. We should be able to track Afghans using street cameras for security purposes, and to make sure that they haven't returned to Iran after deportation. If they did return again (illegally) after deportation, this time they should be exiled to a place with terrible weather, like an open prison. Nearly all countries do that, I don't see why we should be an exception

 

[Developereo]

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?

They can build their Chosen People homeland in Germany and live in peace there.

Palestine is not available, sorry.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?

Yes, you seem delusional or ignorant of history.

Their society is based on theft and violence. If they stop they will start killing each other. They must constantly be at war, to obtain land for their population to steal and to turn their predisposition for violence outward. A not insignificant portion of their society believes everything from Sinai to Iraq belongs to the, what happens when the violence stops and that isn't achieved? Do they just shrug their shoulders? I don't think that will be the case.

 

[Farhan23]

Even so, Egypt is a far too big piece cake for israel, and the two have good relation with uncle Sam.
Jordan ? more grounds for what purpose?

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?

You speak the truth here but folks here are sort of little bit out it and on the extreme end. They fail to humanize Israel.

Israel has been in exhausting meat-grinder and most of them assume Israel can print forces in a printer or something. Israel wants to end hosilities and reset, rebuild it´s air defense capability and most important recruit new manpower from the bottom as Israel is dealing with severe manpower shortage crisis.

This round of war was also imposed upon Israel

 

[BigMela2onin]

You speak the truth here but folks here are sort of little bit out it and on the extreme end. They fail to humanize Israel.

Israel has been in exhausting meat-grinder and most of them assume Israel can print forces in a printer or something. Israel wants to end hosilities and reset, rebuild it´s air defense capability and most important recruit new manpower from the bottom as Israel is dealing with severe manpower shortage crisis

They have dehumanized themselves, you do not spend 2 years killing children and come out mentally unscathed. It would be a mistake to expect rational human-like logic from them. It has been a mistake by IR to expect rational human-like logic from the west during these negotiations.