Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Another example of the incompetence of the Ayatollah regime:

They are deporting Afghan refugees in large numbers everyday, but they are not fingerprinting them or storing their biometric information, as far as reports suggest. This is useless, they will be back again and next time, they will be even more of a threat to Iran because they now have motivation to hurt Iran, even more than before.

How do you know that they are not collecting data? I heard that there is a massive border under construction.

 

[Arash]

Another example of the incompetence of the Ayatollah regime:

They are deporting Afghan refugees in large numbers everyday, but they are not fingerprinting them or storing their biometric information, as far as reports suggest. This is useless, they will be back again and next time, they will be even more of a threat to Iran because they now have motivation to hurt Iran, even more than before.

Not needed if you really close the border........

 

[mangekyo]

Israel lost the 12 Day War with Iran because it failed to achieve its objectives:

1) Israel FAILED to destroy the Iranian nuclear program - Iran still has 408kg of HEU and IR-6 centrifuges and the nuclear program itself was not destroyed but rather rolled back by only 2 to 6 months.

2) Israel FAILED to remove the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons - since key components of the nuclear program are intact the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons is NOT removed. Moreover, after this war Iran reduced relations with the IAEA and might accelerate its nuclear program.

3) Israel FAILED to degrade Iranian ballistic missiles program - contrary to Western propaganda, Iran succeeded in launching 550 missiles at Israel with hundreds of impacts. And Iranian underground missile bases and underground missile production facilities survived. During the war we saw ineffectiveness of David's Sling, Arrow-3, THAAD, PAC-3 and SM-3 with only 3-4 videos of these systems successfully intercepting Iranian missiles.

4) Israel FAILED to degrade the ability of Iranian military to retaliate against Israel - while Israel killed several key generals, they have been quickly replaced and Iran started its retaliation.

5) Israel FAILED to create internal crisis within the Iranian regime - Israel killed several key Iranian generals who were pillars of the system, but these generals were replaced by other loyal generals and Iranian system showed strong resilience. Moreover, this war united Iranian people with the Islamic government and discredited pro-Western opposition as enemy collaborators.

We can conclude that despite some tactical successes, Israel failed to achieve its objectives and ISRAEL LOST THE WAR.

You’re saying Israel lost, but even you admit they set Iran’s nuclear program back by months in less than two weeks. That’s not nothing. They also killed key figures, destabilized the leadership, got practical air superiority, and hit our ability to hit back. They wanted to do real damage, and they knew Iran would retaliate, they just maybe didn’t expect to burn through interceptors so fast or get hit as hard as they did. Hard to know exactly, since Israeli media doesn’t share much about losses.

Calling it the “12-day war” is the real trick.
Makes it sound over. It’s not, it’s just a pause.
Now they get time to resupply, learn, and get fully ready for round two. And in round two, they still have air superiority, they still know where our launchers are and the firing patterns, and they can probably destroy them even faster than before because they’ve already mapped everything out.

IRI being busy patting itself on the back, talking about a new nuclear deal and complaining to the UN like it’s all settled is exactly what Israel wants.

 

[StrategicBear]

The only game-changer now is if China starts a new war against India over the border, tying India up so Pakistan can send some planes to enforce at least a No-Fly Zone over Western Iran and then "accidentally shoot down IDF planes" with PL-15 missiles if near.

But this will be a WW3 Scenario with no turning back.

 

[OldTwilight]

The only game-changer now is if China starts a new war against India over the border, tying India up so Pakistan can send some planes to enforce at least a No-Fly Zone over Western Iran and then "accidentally shoot down IDF planes" with PL-15 missiles if near.

But this will be a WW3 Scenario with no turning back.

well if we wanted to accept this kind of humiliation , USA is better option

 

[tsunset]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

 

[BonPlan]

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myth shredded?
It's all the contrary. They killed Haniyeh inside a state property inside Teheran, They decapitated Hezbollah main leaders with bipers, Hamas is nearly over, Syria is no more a threat and they strike Iran nuc and missile factories with nearly no loss. => they reinstalled classical deterrence.

 

[BonPlan]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

Did israel used nuc in 1973 war, despite the very difficult situation? NO.
Did and do israel explain that they want to eradicate Iran from the earth? NO (iran did since 40 years).
I think they only want to live in peace. It's possible : see Egypt case.

 

[Farhan23]

myth shredded?
It's all the contrary. They killed Haniyeh inside a state property inside Teheran, They decapitated Hezbollah main leaders with bipers, Hamas is nearly over, Syria is no more a threat and they strike Iran nuc and missile factories with nearly no loss. => they reinstalled classical deterrence.

This is premature claim..

Yes Haniyeh was killed in tehren which shows Iranian intelligence lapse nothing else.

Yes Hezbollah has accepted sus ceasefire deal but still here. Hamas is not nearly over, Houthis are also there firing daily. Iran is not over either (But I do believe an actual war with Iran will happen soon with invasions involved) But Iran is there perhaps weakened tech wise but still there. Assad is gone in Syria

 

[HAIDER]

Iran should understand that a nuclear Turkey and Saudi Arabia is in our interest and is not a threat to Iran, but only a threat to Israel. Iran doesn't have expansion plans to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, but Israel has

If the region gets nukes, it is fully in our interest because Israel will not be the only country that can threat everyone in the region, putting Israel into a tight spot surrounded by nuclear armed countries

Right now only Erdogan can do something, once he is gone, doubt any leader will come to look at this direction.. @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Pakistan build and setup there missile facilities, but nothing very significant.

 

[Farhan23]

Right now only Erdogan can do something, once he is gone, doubt any leader will come to look at this direction.. @Hakikat ve Hikmet

Pakistan build and setup there missile facilities, but nothing very significant.

The Region will go nuclear with time. KSA is rumored to be one already while Turkey can get it easily.

I think the next 10 years will be very important as technology will just improve across the board I am not talking about nuclear technology but just technology in general

 

[BigMela2onin]

Did israel used nuc in 1973 war, despite the very difficult situation? NO.
Did and do israel explain that they want to eradicate Iran from the earth? NO (iran did since 40 years).
I think they only want to live in peace. It's possible : see Egypt case.

If you think they don’t have plans for Egypt and Jordan you're quite gullible

 

[BonPlan]

If you think they don’t have plans for Egypt and Jordan you're quite gullible

Even so, Egypt is a far too big piece cake for israel, and the two have good relation with uncle Sam.
Jordan ? more grounds for what purpose?

Is it so difficult to imagine they just want to be in peace ?

 

[ShapurII]

Not needed if you really close the border........

That's the reason why we're in this mess. It's people like you. Even if the border is closed, intelligence agencies like Mossad will still be able to infiltrate Iran.

Every Afghan immigrant should be fingerprinted and iris scanned before deportation. Otherwise, next time it will be much worse.

 

[ShapurII]

How do you know that they are not collecting data? I heard that there is a massive border under construction.

Multiple reports by people, including Afghans that have been deported already.
None of them say anything about being fingerprinted or their biometric data being taken at the border.

They should be photographed, fingerprinted, iris-scanned, even their height should be recorded. We should be able to track Afghans using street cameras for security purposes, and to make sure that they haven't returned to Iran after deportation. If they did return again (illegally) after deportation, this time they should be exiled to a place with terrible weather, like an open prison. Nearly all countries do that, I don't see why we should be an exception