Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

According to Ukraine's MoD, Russia has fired 728 Shahed-136 drones last night.

And yet, the IRGC on average fired merely ~90 Shahed-136 drones during 12 days
 
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ShapurII said:
According to Ukraine's MoD, Russia has fired 728 Shahed-136 drones last night.

And yet, the IRGC on average fired merely ~90 Shahed-136 drones during 12 days
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Yes the use of drones was minimal. But the drones were being intercepted by multiple air forces and AD
 
StrategicBear said:
Russia's Industrial Power is greater than Iran's.
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Iran introduced Shahed-131 in 2015. We have had 10 years to mass-produce Shahed-131 and more than 3-4 years to mass produce Shahed-136. Shahed-131 was first used in Abqaiq attack in Saudi Arabia by Houthis. So, we've had plenty of time. It is reasonable to expect that Iran should have over 1 million such drones, but we apparently don't.

Xerxes22 said:
Yes the use of drones was minimal. But the drones were being intercepted by multiple air forces and AD
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Yes, because we didn't fire enough drones to oversaturate the AD and scrambled jets. If we had fired 1,500 drones per day, I am sure at least 200-300 of them would've hit their targets in Israel. You can't just fire 90 drones per day to hit 1,300 km away from your borders and expect them to pass through all layers of AD and air forces.

I always thought that we at least had the upper hand in quantity. It turns out we don't.
 
So what did I miss did Iran get some aircraft and work on some much required internal cleanup? Or are Generals still sleeping in known locations?
 
ShapurII said:
Iran introduced Shahed-131 in 2015. We have had 10 years to mass-produce Shahed-131 and more than 3-4 years to mass produce Shahed-136. Shahed-131 was first used in Abqaiq attack in Saudi Arabia by Houthis. So, we've had plenty of time. It is reasonable to expect that Iran should have over 1 million such drones, but we apparently don't.


Yes, because we didn't fire enough drones to oversaturate the AD and scrambled jets. If we had fired 1,500 drones per day, I am sure at least 200-300 of them would've hit their targets in Israel. You can't just fire 90 drones per day to hit 1,300 km away from your borders and expect them to pass through all layers of AD and air forces.

I always thought that we at least had the upper hand in quantity. It turns out we don't.
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The price of the Shahed drone was said to be between $30,000-$50,000. lets say that Iran was actually producing them for $10,000. Do you think that Iran has spent $10,000,000,000 to produce Just Shahed drones alone? You are mistaking tactic with capability. Just because Iran did not use a large barrages of drones does not mean that Iran did not have the capability to do so. Iran was prepared for a long protracted war involving the U.S and friends. Iran was not going to deplete its inventory of drones and missiles in the short term and be left naked and defenseless.
 
Kyussis said:
The price of the Shahed drone was said to be between $30,000-$50,000. lets say that Iran was actually producing them for $10,000. Do you think that Iran has spent $10,000,000,000 to produce Just Shahed drones alone? You are mistaking tactic with capability. Just because Iran did not use a large barrages of drones does not mean that Iran did not have the capability to do so. Iran was prepared for a long protracted war involving the U.S and friends. Iran was not going to deplete its inventory of drones and missiles in the short term and be left naked and defenseless.
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Sure. Why not? $10-$20 billion dollars is peanut for a country that has been in a covert war for years and has been constantly threatened to be bombed since 2003. How much do you think we have spent on our MRBMs and SRBMs?

Ukraine has produced over 1 million drones in less than 18 months and plans to produce 4 million drones in future.

The only way that Iran can win this war is to win in terms of quantity. And we have shown to be incapable of doing that so far. If we had fired 1,000 Shahed drones on average, we would've used only 12K drones. That would've been %1.2 of our inventory, not much really.
 
ShapurII said:
Sure. Why not? $10-$20 billion dollars is peanut for a country that has been in a covert war for years and has been constantly threatened to be bombed since 2003. How much do you think we have spent on our MRBMs and SRBMs?

Ukraine has produced over 1 million drones in less than 18 months and plans to produce 4 million drones in future.

The only way that Iran can win this war is to win in terms of quantity. And we have shown to be incapable of doing that so far. If we had fired 1,000 Shahed drones on average, we would've used only 12K drones. That would've been %1.2 of our inventory, not much really.
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I don't see how you can compare Ukraine to Iran. Iran is under one of the most strict sanction regiments anywhere on earth while Ukraine is being supplied with money and weapons from all corners of the "western world" and beyond. Iran has one of the smallest defense budgets in all of West Asia, where would Iran have gotten tens of Billions of dollars for just one platform?
 
new copium strategy from IRI: claim the most ambitious and unrealistic possible outcome was the enemy's goal, and because they didn't achieve that specific goal it means they lost the war and we won! this means mere survival is equated with victory

so dont expect tactical military objectives like degrading enemy air power, this isn't their plan and they don't have coherent military tactics, just survival, that's why they don't fire many missiles and rush to a ceasefire as soon as possible
 
Kyussis said:
I don't see how you can compare Ukraine to Iran. Iran is under one of the most strict sanction regiments anywhere on earth while Ukraine is being supplied with money and weapons from all corners of the "western world" and beyond. Iran has one of the smallest defense budgets in all of West Asia, where would Iran have gotten tens of Billions of dollars for just one platform?
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I have an idea. Maybe instead of wasting 50 billion dollars in the region to support a coward like Assad who ran way without even telling us, or a bunch of useless Arab militias, we should've built 3-4 million drones?
 


This is most likely against Iran since the West is demanding that Iran to allow the IAEA inspectors (in reality, they're spies who collect targeting info) back into Iran and also turn over the 60% enriched Uranium. 👇




This is a repeat of what they did to Iraq in the 1990s. They kept demanding Iraq to turn over chemical and biological weapons while they were bombing, and once they know there was nothing left, they invaded Iraq.
 
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ShapurII said:
I have an idea. Maybe instead of wasting 50 billion dollars in the region to support a coward like Assad who ran way without even telling us, or a bunch of useless Arab militias, we should've built 3-4 million drones?
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I Guess 20K SRBM and 20 battalion of Bavar 373 would do great job
 
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