Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Arash]

This is most likely against Iran since the West is demanding that Iran to allow the IAEA inspectors (in reality, they're spies who collect targeting info) back into Iran and also turn over the 60% enriched Uranium.




This is a repeat of what they did to Iraq in the 1990s. They kept demanding Iraq to turn over chemical and biological weapons while they were bombing, and once they know there was nothing left, they invaded Iraq.

Bad side : another assaut against Iran is unfortunately inevitable + u.s. and their stooges will prepare better for that
Good side : iran disbanded much of foreign spy rings within the country + is rearming + Israel still cannot withstand attrition war
Conclusion : any next agression against Iran will aim at terminating the regime & country in the shortest time possible.

 

[BigMela2onin]

You might not remember 2009 and the "Green revolution" but the establishment in Iran has not forgotten.

We had not been attacked by the jews and their slaves then. More than 1000, including women and children, had not been killed then.

 

[ShapurII]

 

[Persian Gulf]

spot on... total loss of deterrence through weakness and fear of conflict...

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Kyussis]

We had not been attacked by the jews and their slaves then. More than 1000, including women and children, had not been killed then.

If it was up to me, Pezeshkian, Rouhani, Zarif.. would be hanging from a crane!

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

I have an idea. Maybe instead of wasting 50 billion dollars in the region to support a coward like Assad who ran way without even telling us, or a bunch of useless Arab militias, we should've built 3-4 million drones?

We should have at least 100000 drones at 100 locations, if not, it's a big shame and failure. We have more than enough skilled workers, wages are relatively low in Iran, tech is available, money is available, fuel is cheap, material is available. For me it's a big question why we didnt fire hundreds of drones at once.

 

[Lulldapull]

I believe the entire Arash-2 drone inventory was used up no?.......All launched and many hit their targets at night.

 

[ShapurII]

We should have at least 100000 drones at 100 locations, if not, it's a big shame and failure. We have more than enough skilled workers, wages are relatively low in Iran, tech is available, money is available, fuel is cheap, material is available. For me it's a big question why we didnt fire hundreds of drones at once.

100,000 drones are not going to cut it for us against enemies in the caliber of Israel or the US. It's going to be enough for 3-5 months at most.

Imagine we had fired 2,000-3,000 drones per day during the first week of the war. It would've forced the Israeli air force to be on defense as well and it would've exhausted them, effectively reducing their offensive capability and making them rethink future conflicts. It would've depleted their AD too, at a lower cost than firing old-generations of our BMs.

Imagine every f*cking hour they had to defend themselves against a new swarm of drones.

I always thought we were a global drone power, but if we can't match Ukraine or Russia, then we aren't really.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

100,000 drones are not going to cut it for us against enemies in the caliber of Israel or the US. It's going to be enough for 3-5 months at most.

Imagine we had fired 2,000-3,000 drones per day during the first week of the war. It would've forced the Israeli air force to be on defense as well and it would've exhausted them, effectively reducing their offensive capability and making them rethink future conflicts. It would've depleted their AD too, at a lower cost than firing old-generations of our BMs.

Imagine every f*cking hour they had to defend themselves against a new swarm of drones.

I always thought we were a global drone power, but if we can't match Ukraine or Russia, then we aren't really.

In the last 6 months, Russia was firing about 150 drones a day towards Ukraine (shahed types, not fpv). I don't know the exact numbers for Iran, but we should prepare massive production in deep secured structures. I hope we'll see the result in the next war, firing hundreds a day.

 

[ShapurII]

In the last 6 months, Russia was firing about 150 drones a day towards Ukraine (shahed types, not fpv). I don't know the exact numbers for Iran, but we should prepare massive production in deep secured structures. I hope we'll see the result in the next war, firing hundreds a day.

Yes, in a potential war with the US, if we perform like we did this time, the cost of war will be about $60 billion dollars for 3 months of war. That's nothing for the US. The US has given twice that number just as aid to Ukraine! We need to increase the cost of war by 5-10 times to establish deterrence.

The whole point of fighting asymmetrically for a weaker belligerent is to inflict heavy financial and human capital cost on the enemy through cheap means and bravery to stop the war. We failed at both. A total of $8 billion dollars for 12 days (including damage done to Israel) is nothing for these people. The US military budget is one trillion dollars.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Yes, in a potential war with the US, if we perform like we did this time, the cost of war will be about $60 billion dollars for 3 months of war. That's nothing for the US. The US has given twice that number just as aid to Ukraine! We need to increase the cost of war by 5-10 times to establish deterrence.

The whole point of fighting asymmetrically for a weaker belligerent is to inflict heavy financial and human capital cost on the enemy through cheap means and bravery to stop the war. We failed at both. A total of $8 billion dollars for 12 days (including damage done to Israel) is nothing for these people. The US military budget is one trillion dollars.

Average 4.5 gen fighter jet price, including indirect costs, is about 100 million USD (life cycle costs maybe 300 million USD). If the production cost of a single shahed drone in Iran=15000 USD, it means 6600 drones = 1 fighter jet.

I would go for drones, launchers, missiles, air defence systems instead of fighter jets.

If we saw massive amounts of drones being fired towards the enemy during the 12 day war, we could conclude that the decision of not buying fighter jets was a well thought decision. But unfortunately that didnt happen.

 

[ShapurII]

Average 4.5 gen fighter jet price, including indirect costs, is about 100 million USD (life cycle costs maybe 300 million USD). If the production cost of a single shahed drone in Iran=15000 USD, it means 6600 drones = 1 fighter jet.

I would go for drones, launchers, missiles, air defence systems instead of fighter jets.

If we saw massive amounts of drones being fired towards the enemy during the 12 day war, we could conclude that the decision of not buying fighter jets was a well thought decision. But unfortunately that didnt happen.

Honestly, we need both but as it turns out, we have neither lol

 

[the saint]

 

[StrategicBear]

Average 4.5 gen fighter jet price, including indirect costs, is about 100 million USD (life cycle costs maybe 300 million USD). If the production cost of a single shahed drone in Iran=15000 USD, it means 6600 drones = 1 fighter jet.

I would go for drones, launchers, missiles, air defence systems instead of fighter jets.

If we saw massive amounts of drones being fired towards the enemy during the 12 day war, we could conclude that the decision of not buying fighter jets was a well thought decision. But unfortunately that didnt happen.

Is there a reason why Iran didn't fired hundreds of drones a day against Israel? Don't tell me some nonsense that "Iranian commander is afraid that firing too much drones would cause too many Israeli military and civillian casualties that would make their finger on the Nuclear Weapon trigger touch more earlier?"