Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[vizier]

Iran does not need the EU. Who is behind the decisions that Araghchi makes?
Iran has no trade with the EU, Japan, South Korea, or the U.S. What are they begging the EU?

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There can be some gains that they show if you make agreement with them but showing gains and even giving some small incentives does not mean you can trust them.

They cry about Russian threat and do everything they can eventhough they traded highly with them in the last two decades. Russia is at most a 200 year old threat for european countries. They made wars with mideast-muslim countries for more than 1000 years. They were seeing Ottoman empire as an existential threat. So now they are taking actions accordingly to remove any threat that can in future do something similar. You can say it was Ottomans not Persians or Babur empire that fought with europeans but it doesnt matter at all and you dont have expansionist plans over them and the era of empires-military expansionism has ended or similar but it doesnt matter at all for them.
The fact that history cannot change and the fact that you have the potential to become a future military threat for them is an enough reason to get rid of you by any means like israeli-Usa-British coalition (or by using third parties like India to not to take the nuclear risk themselves) and they would gladly approve the destruction of Iran or any other potential threat muslim country even if you had no issues with them before.

Ofcourse it doesnt mean black and white thinking and there is no reason to hate europeans for their current issues with muslim countries but if you trust them then you have a big problem at your hand. Especially in sensitive security areas like restrictions about ballistic missiles if Iran gives concessions Iran will pay a very high price turning into another Iraq-Libya immediately. Ballistic missiles saved Iran from israels last attempts and at least 2500-3000km range is necessary for Iran to fire them when ballistic missile sites in western Iran were destroyed a few weeks ago. I dont know about Irans stance in nuclear issue but they can easily add some items that will bacfire on Iran in nuclear agreements as well.

If Iran trusts and easily believes anyone that smiles at them like a child then there needs to be an immediate shift in their officials towards a more questioning-critical thinking-nonemotionally reactive perspective from a belief-emotionally oriented perspective.

 

[ShapurII]

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@ShapurII

But jet fighters are useless. We don't need an air force. Missiles are enough.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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entire heads of government was almost killed by Israel as they all convened to a bunker in north Tehran for a meeting of SNSC

 

[Sarhang]

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entire heads of government was almost killed by Israel as they all convened to a bunker in north Tehran for a meeting of SNSC

Looks like its basically confirmed now that Pezeshkian got injured they just kept delaying issuing an official statement at first. Imagine the headlines ; Pezeshkian injured in Israeli airstrike in Tehran. That would’ve been a propaganda nightmare for IR.

Now that its obvious the entire IR leadership was basically at the mercy of orange man and the Israelis so what stopped them from wiping them out completely?

Do they still believe some kind of deal is possible with these people?
Or is it that they rather leave these incompetent officials in place instead of risking someone more capable stepping in.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Do they still believe some kind of deal is possible with these people?
Or is it that they rather leave these incompetent officials in place instead of risking someone more capable stepping in.

Plan was for regime change, when that didn't happen, they decided to leave these retards in charge.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Sarhang]

Plan was for regime change, when that didn't happen, they decided to leave these retards in charge.

Contrary to propaganda i dont buy the idea that a regime change in Iran can be pulled off that easily. Unless the Iranian people themselves rise up and get rid of them no foreign power is going to topple IR with just airstrikes. These guys are way too deeply entrenched in Iranian society.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Looks like its basically confirmed now that Pezeshkian got injured they just kept delaying issuing an official statement at first. Imagine the headlines ; Pezeshkian injured in Israeli airstrike in Tehran. That would’ve been a propaganda nightmare for IR.

Now that its obvious the entire IR leadership was basically at the mercy of orange man and the Israelis so what stopped them from wiping them out completely?

Do they still believe some kind of deal is possible with these people?
Or is it that they rather leave these incompetent officials in place instead of risking someone more capable stepping in.

Pezeshkian said he was injured a while ago. this was likely a known 'secure' site for SNSC meetings and Israel bombed it intensely to wipe out the entire leadership. thankfully they failed and the SNSC can take better precautions next time (avoid having everyone attend the same location at once physically)

 

[vmro]

Now that its obvious the entire IR leadership was basically at the mercy of orange man and the Israelis so what stopped them from wiping them out completely?

I disagree. they were simply fortunate, Trump has nothing with that...For first few days it was observed if Iranian nation would be crushed and forced into submission...The Prince was ready, shining with his unbroken spirit and hope to rule Iran and finally be employed...

But I am not sure that Iran would collapsed even if this operation succeed...People were united and took control over eventual submission attempt...

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Patarames has gone fully off the rails with his copium

now he claims that Iran gave permission for the US to bomb Natanz and Fordow, even agreeing the weapons packages, and giving the US jets safe passage to Fordow as a backchannel political deal

 

[Persian Gulf]

retard number 1 admits to direct communication with the US:

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retard number 2 rewards retard number 1 by threatening military action to prevent Iran from ever enriching uranium again:

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[Persian Gulf]

the US could not be clearer that it will not tolerate any uranium enrichment in Iran

yet retarded Araghchi kept negotiating with them and trying to tell us that the US might accept it

now even after they destroy our enrichment facilities and kill our scientists Araghchi still thinks it's worth discussing this with the US (not even indirectly now)

fool me once, shame on you...

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Patarames has gone fully off the rails with his copium

now he claims that Iran gave permission for the US to bomb Natanz and Fordow, even agreeing the weapons packages, and giving the US jets safe passage to Fordow as a backchannel political deal

Honestly this is not that improbable. Remember these guys are utterly illogical, it's very possible they agreed to it as the US was going to do it anyways and they may have seen it as a way to their golden calf deescalation.

 

[FUB]

retard number 1 admits to direct communication with the US:

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retard number 2 rewards retard number 1 by threatening military action to prevent Iran from ever enriching uranium again:

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Wow! I threw in the towel. These a..holes are not worth the time to defend. How humiliating. Trump just called you stupid in front of the world, and you are still going around posting about enrichment and negotiations. Unbelievable. At this point, Araghchi is negotiating the exit for all of the regime's top brass abroad.

 

[Bharatah]

Trump is trying to "deceive" the Zionist lobby that controls him. In practice, Iran continues with the same enrichment as before (and now the enrichment is hidden because cameras have been disabled). Trump has to publicly position himself as against "enrichment" to conform to what the Zionist world order wants, but Iran can profit from this in the long run, because now (practically) we can say that Iran already has an atomic bomb...since no one will ever again know the real fate of the Iranian nuclear program.

NOTE-1: The so-called "B2 attack" has already become a joke on the internet; there is no radioactivity spread or other components that would have been leaked in such an attack, and there is no scientific record of anything.

NOTE-2: For that reason, there will be other attacks on Iran (carried out by the Israeli lobby) to try to install a puppet government and thus (from within) try to dismantle everything, but then we are talking about a conflict that will last decades.