Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aziqbal]

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lol you sound like a IR politician.

Why is it so easy for you guys to make such statements. To make yourselves happy?
Do you know lying and avamfaribi is haram in Islam?

I think you know what I mean

we are not speaking literally

 

[Sarhang]

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I think you know what I mean

we are not speaking literally

what youre writing is fine you are just expressing your thoughts on a forum. But do you realize there is a country in the Middle East whose politicians randomly throw out statements like that? Do you know what those statements have done to that country in the past decades?

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's only a matter of time before protests erupt. The countdown has started already.

The situation looks extremely like Iran prior to the 1979 revolution, even worse in many ways. In the last months of MR Pahlavi, the Pahlavi regime closed public offices as well. We're in the final stage, it seems. Big change is coming.

on that i doubt, chance of protest , two year ago was alot more than its chance today .
if anyone think any meaningful protest happens here at wartime , they don't knew iran well. and at least i see no sign of them in Fars , kohgeluye and boyer ahmad and khuzestan that these days i travel between them

 

[Eşbah]

Stay indifferent to a war that in no way concerns us?
Do not give our own drones to a country that is in cahoots with our sworn enemy?
Do not talk about strategic alliance with that country?

Do I need to continue?

You are completely correct regarding this matter, and I say this as an neutral observer who has no stake in this situation.

I find it hard to understand why Iran adopts such a self-destructive stance concerning anything related to Russia. Is it naivety or are they victims of Russian cheating?

The Western intelligence official said Iran initially seemed to embrace Russia’s efforts to localize roughly 90% of production of the Shahed 136 at Alabuga but Moscow’s upgrades seem to have caught it off guard.

“This evolution marks a gradual loss of control for Iran over the final product, which is now largely manufactured locally and independently,” the source explained. They added Moscow’s end goal is “to fully master the production cycle and free itself from future negotiations with Tehran.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/08/europe/russia-drone-factory-iran-intl

Why would you take such an action? Why would you relinquish crucial technology? Why not export it and create revenue? Why not establish the factory in Russia using Iranian technology and ownership, similar to what Baykar is doing in Ukraine?

It's not just the Iranians; Turks and Arabs also seem unaware of the significant influence Israelis hold in Moscow.

 

[Nuffle]

Do you know why Trump was against US interventions in the Middle East? Because he thought the US would lose money and troops.
They bombed Iran without a single US soldier getting injured and none of the US interests in the region were attacked. What do you think that tells Trump?

The anti-war people in the US are not anti-war because they're pacifists. They're anti-war because they do not want American soldiers to die in the Middle East for Israel. The IR just proved that if you cross all red lines, attack Iran militarily, not a single American would die. Not only that, the IR president comes to TV and says that Iran is not seeking war.

Trump represents the kind of Americans that see Iran as their national enemy since the hostage crisis. Now, imagine you're an American president who wants to Make America Great Again, you hate Iran and Islamists, and you have the chance to win a big 4-decade war without a single casualty. Do you think Trump will not take that chance?

Exactly what I said: a president willing to avoid putting the country in another war, cautious enough to use military force when necessary but without provoking a large-scale conflict.

Syria in 2017 > 79 Tomahawks against Syrian bases
Syria in 2018 > Limited strike against Syria with help from France and the UK
Iran > Strategic strike against Iranian nuclear plants

What was expected of Trump was a major air campaign against Iran, but that wasn't what happened. In reality, Israel's almost single-handed commitment was enough to deal with Iran. I think this gave Trump even more impetus to not escalate and use full force against Iran.

 

[Sarhang]

Bullshit.....there is a real threat of prosecution. Besides, why would a patriotic Israeli even do it? They all have the same mindset....Iran is the enemy , Arabs are subhuman, so let's not post anything to give Iran satisfaction. You guys, are an energy drain,. I swear! We have to fight the monarchist on one hand, the Isreali misinformation on the other, American MSM, and then come here and read non-stop Iran bashing from our won compatriots.

Why cant you provide the satellite footage of the destroyed Mossad headquarters?


Sorry im getting distracted. I almost never get into these back and forths on a forum over such ridiculous obvious things.

Neither the MEK nor the Monarchists have ruled Iran for the past 45 years. The IR has been running the show and they have managed to turn the country into a circus act. Yet somehow instead of holding them accountable you are out here wasting energy arguing with random Iranians online. We are nobodies, just people outside the country pointing out whats so obvious to everyone except those still pretending not to see it.

You are just as responsible as those corrupt officials because by closing your eyes to their mischief you became part of the problem.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It's only since 2018 that they're actively trying to target Iran. And 4 years of it was Sleepy Joe that left Iran alone and you idiots didn't use it to build the bomb.

its 72 year that they fighting Iran , sometimes directly , sometime it's the covert war.
if any one think their war with Iran started just after revolution , they need to go study history more thoroughly

 

[Nuffle]

You are completely correct regarding this matter, and I say this as an neutral observer who has no stake in this situation.

I find it hard to understand why Iran adopts such a self-destructive stance concerning anything related to Russia. Is it naivety or are they victims of Russian cheating?

The Western intelligence official said Iran initially seemed to embrace Russia’s efforts to localize roughly 90% of production of the Shahed 136 at Alabuga but Moscow’s upgrades seem to have caught it off guard.

“This evolution marks a gradual loss of control for Iran over the final product, which is now largely manufactured locally and independently,” the source explained. They added Moscow’s end goal is “to fully master the production cycle and free itself from future negotiations with Tehran.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/08/europe/russia-drone-factory-iran-intl

Why would you take such an action? Why would you relinquish crucial technology? Why not export it and create revenue? Why not establish the factory in Russia using Iranian technology and ownership, similar to what Baykar is doing in Ukraine?

It's not just the Iranians; Turks and Arabs also seem unaware of the significant influence Israelis hold in Moscow.

It's worth noting that Russia will likely give the kamikaze drone technology it acquired from Iran to North Korea:

Russia Giving North Korea Shahed-136 Attack Drone Production Capability: Budanov

Ukraine's intelligence chief says Moscow is giving Pyongyang advanced military technologies that could shift the balance of power on the peninsula.

www.twz.com

The Russians will not only become more independent of Tehran but will also export Iranian drone-based technology to other countries.

Iran played this one very poorly. It should have abstracted everything possible from the Russians in 2022 and 2023, when they were at their most critical point in the war against Ukraine.

Furthermore, the DPRK appears to be producing Russian-assisted warships, Russian-assisted nuclear submarines, and Russian-assisted BVR-capable air carriers.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Nope. They started with arming Saddam. The 8 years war has hardened us. We have come long way, don't make me laugh with that countdown idea.

1980 was 45 years ago and 1988 was 37 years ago. No Iranian under the age of 50 was anything other than a young child. The generation that was hardened is old now, the labor force and military eligible population did not go through the imposed war.

 

[ShapurII]

Nope. They started with arming Saddam. The 8 years war has hardened us. We have come long way, don't make me laugh with that countdown idea.

Israel is less than nothing compared to Iraq of that time. Fyi, before Saddam's coup, Iraq was the most advanced country of entire region. They had nuclear scientists way before others.

Yeah, you have come a long way in ruining the country.

You are the same people that wanted to laugh when I said Assad was going to be toppled in a few days. Guess what? It took only 11 days. You guys said Assad was even stronger, and the HTS will be crushed.

The situation in 1980s is nothing like today. Back then, 99% of the people supported the system. It's nothing like now. The fact that there are so many Israeli agents on the ground, working for Israel at the heart of Tehran, is an undeniable evidence of that.

I said it before, I will repeat it again: the IR should thank God for being given another opportunity. If the system does not change its policies or does not go nuclear, the countdown has started.

The last paragraph is ridiculous. Comparing Saddam to Israel in nuclear science is only a proof of ignorance. Nothing else.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Obviously. Yet, this logic doesn't apply to the US in the IR, for some reason.


Yet, they do nothing to promote or even establish INSTC. The recent move by the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia is a huge blow to INSTC and Russia doesn't seem bothered by it, or willing to do anything about it.


Which Russia doesn't respect as Putin clearly said: Israel is an almost Russian-speaking country and Russia-Israel relations are based on mutual trust.


We should also find common interests with the US and even Israel then. Why does this apply to Russia, but not the US or Israel?


Because you do not want to accept that Israel and the West are a package deal for now. You can't have ties with one, but not the other.

US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago).

The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste and fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, creating cheapest energy and fuel in the world, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries.

My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties/middleman, imagine if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, imagine if we stop with multiple exchange rates and subsidizing Dollar, a lot of "people" would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor and finished it by now, Aliyev would know his place better and the Trans-Atlanticists of Armenia and Georgia would have less power. But anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkizm and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their link be cut by some zionist mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is now silent about it for now, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't even finshed this route yet, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and we have way more common interests with Russia than with USA. Russia cares more about international law and order compared to the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israel and zionism. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith. Islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.

 

[Shafagh]

US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago). The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste, fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries. My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties, if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, if we stop with multiple exchange rates for Dollar, a lot of people would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor, Aliyev would know his place better and Trans-Atlanticist of Armenia and Georgia would have less power, but anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkism and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their links be cut by some mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is silent about it, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link, as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't finshed this route, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and has way more common interests with us than USA. Russia cares more about international law and order than the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israël. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith, islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.

To add to this, I think you can have a deal with the U.S. but not Israel. Give them what they want, just not the way they want it i.e a decade of peace and neutrality, to focus on economic growth, and internal stability. Then start building your war machine once the west is pacified enough, and you have resources at your disposal. This is what China did.

Remember, Israelis trained SAVAK. They also sold the Shah obsolete missile blueprints under a program where they promised to help Iran develop advanced systems. Look into Project Flower.

There isn't a benefit to befriending these people. They are leeches and scum. A time will come when U.S. power will decline to an extent that China will noticeably overtake them. Israel will ditch the U.S. at the drop of a hat, and try to cozy up to Beijing.

 

[kastor ville]

Why cant you provide the satellite footage of the destroyed Mossad headquarters?


Sorry im getting distracted. I almost never get into these back and forths on a forum over such ridiculous obvious things.

Neither the MEK nor the Monarchists have ruled Iran for the past 45 years. The IR has been running the show and they have managed to turn the country into a circus act. Yet somehow instead of holding them accountable you are out here wasting energy arguing with random Iranians online. We are nobodies, just people outside the country pointing out whats so obvious to everyone except those still pretending not to see it.

You are just as responsible as those corrupt officials because by closing your eyes to their mischief you became part of the problem.

I wasn't specifically talking about the Mossad building, but the larger context of having picture as proof something having occurred, specially since there is ample proof of a gag order by the Likud terror party, under the threat of arrest and prosecution. It's a given that we are not going to see photos of Hamas HQ damaged.....are you kidding me? It's a huge black eye for the zioterrorists if that was to get out. I was calling bs on the fact that people are waiting on photos of damage.........for God's sakes, pull up the videos, how many missiles made impact? Are all of them hitting open desert? There was substantial damage....you don't need photo proof to surmise that.

Also, since you mentioned MEK and Monarchist......Yes these clowns did screw up a good thing for the last 20 yrs or so. But the bastards Monarchists and the MEK deserve more ire than the Friday Prayer Gang....I'll take them all day over the other 2 traitors

 

[ShapurII]

US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago).

The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste and fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, creating cheapest energy and fuel in the world, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries.

My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties/middleman, imagine if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, imagine if we stop with multiple exchange rates and subsidizing Dollar, a lot of "people" would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor and finished it by now, Aliyev would know his place better and the Trans-Atlanticists of Armenia and Georgia would have less power. But anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkizm and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their link be cut by some zionist mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is now silent about it for now, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't even finshed this route yet, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and we have way more common interests with Russia than with USA. Russia cares more about international law and order compared to the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israel and zionism. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith. Islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.

You purposefully ignored my main point. The West and Israel are a package deal. Like it or not, it is what it is.
They're like a husband and a wife, where ironically the 4-feet wife completely dominates the husband. So, you can't make a deal with the husband when you have made it clear that you want to strangle the wife, does that make sense? Sure, the wife is a psychopathic manipulative murderer, but it is what it is. You don't need to be extremely polite to that bitch of a wife, but you need to ignore her and stop saying that you want to kill her.

You keep contradicting yourself. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to explain our inexplainable relations with Russia in recent years. If the IR doesn't have money for INSTC, then that contradicts your claim that we have common interests with Russia in that particular project. Do you see the contradiction?

Russia is also a pariah state. Just talk to Europeans and see how many of them absolutely hate the Russians. The closer you get to the east of Europe, the stronger this feeling gets. Even Slavs are not that fond of Russia. Russia even has committed genocide before. Off the top of my head, the Persian famine in World War I was caused by both the British and the Russians. About 2-8 million Iranians starved to death. They starved millions of Ukrainians in what is today known as the Holodomor during Stalin.

If I'm to choose between a genocidal state like Israel, which has committed genocide against Palestinians, and a genocidal state like Russia that has committed genocide against us Iranians, has stabbed us in the back even when we had good relations, and has annexed nearly one-third of our territory historically, I would pick Israel every f*cking time. So, again, find a better excuse to explain why it is halal to suck up to Russia, while it is haram to do the same for the US.

Also, Russia is not just not anti-Israel. It is in fact a pro-Israel state. The Jews have always been part of the oligarchy in Russia since the October revolution, if not before that. Putin himself said that Israel was almost a Russian-speaking country and their relations were based on mutual trust. IRGC generals say that Russia helped Israel bomb Syria. When do you want to wake up?