Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Obviously. Yet, this logic doesn't apply to the US in the IR, for some reason.


Yet, they do nothing to promote or even establish INSTC. The recent move by the Republic of Azerbaijan and Armenia is a huge blow to INSTC and Russia doesn't seem bothered by it, or willing to do anything about it.


Which Russia doesn't respect as Putin clearly said: Israel is an almost Russian-speaking country and Russia-Israel relations are based on mutual trust.


We should also find common interests with the US and even Israel then. Why does this apply to Russia, but not the US or Israel?


Because you do not want to accept that Israel and the West are a package deal for now. You can't have ties with one, but not the other.
US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago).

The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste and fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, creating cheapest energy and fuel in the world, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries.

My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties/middleman, imagine if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, imagine if we stop with multiple exchange rates and subsidizing Dollar, a lot of "people" would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor and finished it by now, Aliyev would know his place better and the Trans-Atlanticists of Armenia and Georgia would have less power. But anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkizm and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their link be cut by some zionist mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is now silent about it for now, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't even finshed this route yet, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and we have way more common interests with Russia than with USA. Russia cares more about international law and order compared to the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israel and zionism. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith. Islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.
 
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US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago). The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste, fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries. My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties, if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, if we stop with multiple exchange rates for Dollar, a lot of people would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor, Aliyev would know his place better and Trans-Atlanticist of Armenia and Georgia would have less power, but anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkism and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their links be cut by some mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is silent about it, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link, as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't finshed this route, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and has way more common interests with us than USA. Russia cares more about international law and order than the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israël. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith, islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.
To add to this, I think you can have a deal with the U.S. but not Israel. Give them what they want, just not the way they want it i.e a decade of peace and neutrality, to focus on economic growth, and internal stability. Then start building your war machine once the west is pacified enough, and you have resources at your disposal. This is what China did.

Remember, Israelis trained SAVAK. They also sold the Shah obsolete missile blueprints under a program where they promised to help Iran develop advanced systems. Look into Project Flower.

There isn't a benefit to befriending these people. They are leeches and scum. A time will come when U.S. power will decline to an extent that China will noticeably overtake them. Israel will ditch the U.S. at the drop of a hat, and try to cozy up to Beijing.
 
Why cant you provide the satellite footage of the destroyed Mossad headquarters?


Sorry im getting distracted. I almost never get into these back and forths on a forum over such ridiculous obvious things.

Neither the MEK nor the Monarchists have ruled Iran for the past 45 years. The IR has been running the show and they have managed to turn the country into a circus act. Yet somehow instead of holding them accountable you are out here wasting energy arguing with random Iranians online. We are nobodies, just people outside the country pointing out whats so obvious to everyone except those still pretending not to see it.

You are just as responsible as those corrupt officials because by closing your eyes to their mischief you became part of the problem.
I wasn't specifically talking about the Mossad building, but the larger context of having picture as proof something having occurred, specially since there is ample proof of a gag order by the Likud terror party, under the threat of arrest and prosecution. It's a given that we are not going to see photos of Hamas HQ damaged.....are you kidding me? It's a huge black eye for the zioterrorists if that was to get out. I was calling bs on the fact that people are waiting on photos of damage.........for God's sakes, pull up the videos, how many missiles made impact? Are all of them hitting open desert? There was substantial damage....you don't need photo proof to surmise that.

Also, since you mentioned MEK and Monarchist......Yes these clowns did screw up a good thing for the last 20 yrs or so. But the bastards Monarchists and the MEK deserve more ire than the Friday Prayer Gang....I'll take them all day over the other 2 traitors
 
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US has its own interests as well, we gave them many chances, ordered boeings, welcomed their companies, they bombed us.

Islamic republic has no money for INSTC or Persian Gulf-Black Sea Corridor (now they're talking about this corridor while we were asking for it 10 years ago).

The money goes to "strategic commodities" such as (Debsh) Tea, billions USD dispappeared in the process and further we need to encourage energy and fuel waste and fuel smuggling by subsidizing these goods, creating cheapest energy and fuel in the world, to enrich the smugglers and neighbouring countries.

My God, imagine if we stop importing tea through all kind of parties/middleman, imagine if we stop encouraging smugglers and energy waste, imagine if we stop with multiple exchange rates and subsidizing Dollar, a lot of "people" would become unhappy.

Had they invested in Persian gulf-Black Sea Corridor and finished it by now, Aliyev would know his place better and the Trans-Atlanticists of Armenia and Georgia would have less power. But anti-nationalist Muzlim-grannies in Guardian Council were busy promoting Pan-Turkizm and Izlam no? (Pezeshkian, creation of Turk fraction in Parliament, trying to change the national language of education, chasing girls without head-dress).

Russia and India (and Iran) cannot let their link be cut by some zionist mafia dynasty in Baku. Russia is now silent about it for now, India is silent, Iran has spoken out against any blockade of this link as a warning because we can't become aggressive as long as there is no true blockade! hell we haven't even finshed this route yet, as I mentioned.

Russia not being against Israel is not related to our many common interests. At least Russia is not bombing us like USA. Fact: Russia is a neighbour and we have way more common interests with Russia than with USA. Russia cares more about international law and order compared to the international cowboy USA.

Iran tried 10 times to find common interests with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian), but USA is more interested in bankrupting themselves and killing Iranians for the sake of Israel and zionism. Israel-First policy can't unite with the rest of the world, even zionist hindutvas got punished by Trump recently. So it's better for Iran to align with stable and law abiding countries.

Only a fool and suicidal madman would unite with an international Pariah and genocidal state like Israel, one such figure is son of shah, ending as a disgrace after encouraging murder of Iranian citizens, military and scientists. We should absolutely not gamble with our countries faith. Islamic republic already damaged Iran enough, no need for bigger mistakes.
You purposefully ignored my main point. The West and Israel are a package deal. Like it or not, it is what it is.
They're like a husband and a wife, where ironically the 4-feet wife completely dominates the husband. So, you can't make a deal with the husband when you have made it clear that you want to strangle the wife, does that make sense? Sure, the wife is a psychopathic manipulative murderer, but it is what it is. You don't need to be extremely polite to that bitch of a wife, but you need to ignore her and stop saying that you want to kill her.

You keep contradicting yourself. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to explain our inexplainable relations with Russia in recent years. If the IR doesn't have money for INSTC, then that contradicts your claim that we have common interests with Russia in that particular project. Do you see the contradiction?

Russia is also a pariah state. Just talk to Europeans and see how many of them absolutely hate the Russians. The closer you get to the east of Europe, the stronger this feeling gets. Even Slavs are not that fond of Russia. Russia even has committed genocide before. Off the top of my head, the Persian famine in World War I was caused by both the British and the Russians. About 2-8 million Iranians starved to death. They starved millions of Ukrainians in what is today known as the Holodomor during Stalin.

If I'm to choose between a genocidal state like Israel, which has committed genocide against Palestinians, and a genocidal state like Russia that has committed genocide against us Iranians, has stabbed us in the back even when we had good relations, and has annexed nearly one-third of our territory historically, I would pick Israel every f*cking time. So, again, find a better excuse to explain why it is halal to suck up to Russia, while it is haram to do the same for the US.

Also, Russia is not just not anti-Israel. It is in fact a pro-Israel state. The Jews have always been part of the oligarchy in Russia since the October revolution, if not before that. Putin himself said that Israel was almost a Russian-speaking country and their relations were based on mutual trust. IRGC generals say that Russia helped Israel bomb Syria. When do you want to wake up?
 
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You purposefully ignored my main point. The West and Israel are a package deal. Like it or not, it is what it is.
They're like a husband and a wife, where ironically the 4-feet wife completely dominates the husband. So, you can't make a deal with the husband when you have made it clear that you want to strangle the wife, does that make sense? Sure, the wife is a psychopathic manipulative murderer, but it is what it is. You don't need to be extremely polite to that bitch of a wife, but you need to ignore her and stop saying that you want to kill her.

You keep contradicting yourself. No amount of mental gymnastics is going to explain our inexplainable relations with Russia in recent years. If the IR doesn't have money for INSTC, then that contradicts your claim that we have common interests with Russia in that particular project. Do you see the contradiction?

Russia is also a pariah state. Just talk to Europeans and see how many of them absolutely hate the Russians. The closer you get to the east of Europe, the stronger this feeling gets. Even Slavs are not that fond of Russia. Russia even has committed genocide before. Off the top of my head, the Persian famine in World War I was caused by both the British and the Russians. About 2-8 million Iranians starved to death. They starved millions of Ukrainians in what is today known as the Holodomor during Stalin.

If I'm to choose between a genocidal state like Israel, which has committed genocide against Palestinians, and a genocidal state like Russia that has committed genocide against us Iranians, has stabbed us in the back even when we had good relations, and has annexed nearly one-third of our territory historically, I would pick Israel every f*cking time. So, again, find a better excuse to explain why it is halal to suck up to Russia, while it is haram to do the same for the US.

Also, Russia is not just not anti-Israel. It is in fact a pro-Israel state. The Jews have always been part of the oligarchy in Russia since the October revolution, if not before that. Putin himself said that Israel was almost a Russian-speaking country and their relations were based on mutual trust. IRGC generals say that Russia helped Israel bomb Syria. When do you want to wake up?
We will not make deals with a family (Us-rael) in which the wife (Israel) kills our children (scientists, citizens). Making deals to be bombed and killed is the position of Peshkelian, Rouhani, Zarif as of today.

We offered deals and negotiations with the husband (USA), but a family where the wife (Israel) decides the faith of what the husband (USA) does to other Men (Iran) is not stable. Other Men will distance themselves from such a weak and inpredictable man. Even ignoring Israel (the wife), they will come and hunt you.

I'm not contradicting myself, these are facts, Iran said they were short of funds, but the project continues. I'm complaining, not contradicting!
Ofcourse we have a lot of common interests, and ofcourse ZioWest hates connections and cooperation between BRICS and Global South.

Russia is not a Pariah state, they don't want NATO on their borders, just like how US does not want Russian or Chinese forces in Mexico or Cuba.

Russia is not Soviet Union and Putin is not Stalin, just like Germany is not Third Reich today and Al-Sudani of Iraq is not Saddam Hussein.

The famine was caused indirectly by many many different factors such as seasonal droughts, requisitioning and confiscation of foodstuffs by occupying armies, speculation, hoarding, war profiteering, and poor harvests., it was not a pre-set goal (like the holocaust), it was a consequences of many different factors, weak central government (qajars), invasion by 3 foreign armies, and many other factors, among them the global Spanish Flu which killed 20-50 million people in few years. The final death toll in Iran is still not clear.

News flash: Todays Russia occupies not more than 1 % of former Iranian lands of Qajar era (the portion of Dagestan).

If you crave for the bigger portion of lost lands (Turkmenistan, Azerbayjan, Armenia, Georgia), Russia does not own or occupy them anymore as of today and the Tsars are no more, the Bolsheviks killed them.

So instead of being mad at Russia, direct your "nationalist energy" towards bringing Armenia and Georgia to us and containing Baku, which should become part of Iran again if they cross red lines by inviting Israel to harm us.

And I don't know why you don't get it that we tried more that 3 times to restart ties with USA (Khatami, Rouhani, Pezeshkian) by allowing them to invest trillions in Iran. I don't know in which other way we could make it more clear to them. Even the leader said I don't mind negotiations and trade. What more you want? to literally bend over?

That Russia and West is full of Zionist Oligarch is not a surprise, tell us something new. But in Russia they don't have free reign like in the west. Many Jewish-origin oligarchs who were politically independent or opposed Putin were neutralized through legal, financial, or political pressure, not direct assassination. If they had free hand in Russia as well, Russia woud sanction us (maximum pressure) and bomb us and kill our scientists and invite clown pahlavi to Moscow.

That Russia has no common interests with Iran when it comes to Israel or as you mentioned Syria (where they partly had common interests), is already known, but we do have many common interests in other places such as Caspian, Caucasus, Central Asia and we are both members of formats/blocks such as SCO, BRICS and Iran works closely with Eurasian Union (observer status in Eurasian Economic Union). We do have both common interests in multi-polarism and new world order. We do have both common interests in rise of east and Asia.

Now you confuse my realistic, objective, pragmatic view as "sucking up to Russia", but you consider hating on Russia, a neighbour connected through Caspian Sea, and begging USA for ties and getting bombed by them, a direction which we should follow?

This is what I only expect from gamblers and those gambling on man-child pahlavi, who married his daughter to an Israeli, to create a future Israeli king ruling over Iranians. But as Faramarz Dadras says, we have only 1 king and that's Burger-King, not loser and defeated slave Pahlavi.
 
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D: Jun 14

N: Israeli Air Force

T: IAI Eitan (Heron TP)

During the initial Israeli air strikes on Iran, local media footage showed debris from this UAV, which had been destroyed in a crash near Buin Zahra, Iran. It had reportedly been downed by Israeli air defences.

D: Jun 15

N: Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force

T: Boeing 707-3J9C tanker

This tanker aircraft was destroyed during an Israeli Air Force attack on Mashhad International Airport as part of Operation Rising Lion. It was initially reported to be KC-747 (747-131SF) tanker 5-8107 (see Attrition, AFM, August, p97) but later satellite imagery confirmed that it was a 707 that was destroyed.

D: Jun 19

N: Israeli Air Force

T: 2 x IAI Heron TP Eitan UAVs

S: 298 plus one other

Updating the report of the shootdown of these UAVs over western Iran (see Attrition, AFM, August p97), Iranian media later said that one of them was shot down near the Iranian border with Iraq by the Majid short-range air defence system and photos of the wreckage showed serial no 298.
 
N: Israeli Air Force

T: IAI Eitan (Heron TP)

S: 248

Wreckage of this UAV was found on this date in the mountains of Sefidkouh close to Khorramabad, Lorestan Province, Iran. It is thought likely that it had been destroyed by being shot down at an unknown date earlier in the Iranian-Israeli conflict which had begun on June 13 and ended on June 24.
 
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Wreckage of Israeli Air Force IAI Eitan 298 which was shot down on June 19.
 
reformists have proposed temporary suspension of enrichment in Iran to make a deal to relieve the economy and unite people

they are coming under pressure from other factions for that

honestly, they are right. the cost of maintaining enrichment for the sake of enrichment with a religious edict not to build a nuclear bomb is not worth it.
 
reformists have proposed temporary suspension of enrichment in Iran to make a deal to relieve the economy and unite people

they are coming under pressure from other factions for that

honestly, they are right. the cost of maintaining enrichment for the sake of enrichment with a religious edict not to build a nuclear bomb is not worth it.
reformist asked other groups if they have a solution they announce it.
there no other solution proposed yet
 
reformist asked other groups if they have a solution they announce it.
there no other solution proposed yet
status quo is not working that is obvious

either you go for nukes and pay the price or you give up and develop in other ways. you can't go half way and suffer the costs for none of the benefits
 
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1. why shouldnt I question, the narrative spread by the entity media of fewer missiles actually hitting the target?
2. When IR can hit, a dual purpose site (which wasnt even the declared military site, let alone bunker), what stops IR from hitting their military bases?!!!
3. IR showed heavy restraint, question is why?!!!
 

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