Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jalz]

It depends on the target. If they target oil depots or critical infrastructure for petrochemistry, then it's open to interpretation but it could be both tactical and strategic.

True but most of their attacks have been setting off bombs in empty apartments buildings or setting garbage on fires to make it look like their is a major attack.

 

[Jalz]

Hezbollah is a militia with fewer than 100K personnel and Lebanon is less than 1% of the area of Iran. What does that have to do with Iran?

And again, the aerial distance between northern Israel and Beirut is like 150km or even less.

I'm not sure if Hezbollah has run out of missiles or rockets. I believe they still have tens of thousands of rockets. They just don't want to fight with Israel anymore. This is a different issue and I'm digressing, but our mistake was to let Hezbollah get involved in politics. Now they're forming their own oligarchy. And you know what rich people don't? Fighting a stronger enemy.

I am saying its about deterrence. Israel interceptor stock is low and they are trying to refill before they violate our airspace again. Hezbollahs rockets are in-accurate and short range because the IRGC failed them. Hence Israel bombs lebanon consistantly. Several years ago Israel wasn't doing this because hezbollah had deterrence since it didn't lose a war against israel yet

 

[Kyussis]

Tell me if we were so victorious how come that we are going back at the tables negotiating 1% enrichment? Our position is weaker not stronger. We didn't lose you, we lost ppl like Hajizadeh, a capable commander. We lost the Chief of staff as well as the IRGC commander.

What planet are you living on and what are you smoking? Mind you don't throw tantrums like my ex girlfriend. I'm allergic to those kinda divas now. Just answer

Iran lost 30 top Generals. Iran lost 1100 lives. You lost nothing.

 

[Persian Gulf]

When you were "supporting" the resistance, where you under some kind of delusion that the Axis of Resistance and Iran in particular where some how stronger than the combined Zionist west and their Sunni arab puppets?

didn't Hajizadeh and Khamenei say they [Israel and the US] can't do a damn thing to us?

now even Nasirzadeh (one of the more competent IRI officials) admits there is a power disparity between Iran and Israel and this was evident in the war. in this scenario, it is not prudent to adopt such a militant and provocative stance and constantly threaten your more powerful enemy with destruction (within minutes, turning their cities to dust, Israel won't exist within 25 years, etc).

 

[Kyussis]

didn't Hajizadeh and Khamenei say they [Israel and the US] can't do a damn thing to us?

now even Nasirzadeh (one of the more competent IRI officials) admits there is a power disparity between Iran and Israel and this was evident in the war. in this scenario, it is not prudent to adopt such a militant and provocative stance and constantly threaten your more powerful enemy with destruction.

Iran was always the under dog. Just compare the defense spending between Iran and the U.S. Iran's stance has always been defensive!

 

[ShapurII]

I am saying its about deterrence. Israel interceptor stock is low and they are trying to refill before they violate our airspace again. Hezbollahs rockets are in-accurate and short range because the IRGC failed them

I don't disagree with that but you're missing one critical part of the equation.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that both sides can attack each other at will and distance is not a problem at all.

Who do you think will run out of bombs and missiles first? Israel or Iran?
Do you think Iran can continue firing barrages of missiles for a year?

So, it's not only Iran's missiles that are preventing Israel from attacking Iran at will. Wars are not fought with scenarios where you both fire at each other until one side gives up.

The US-Israeli attack on Iran has already caused significant changes in the behavior of the IR. The IR is trying to keep it cool and is looking for a way out through negotiations. You cannot deny that Iran's position is much weaker than 2-3 months ago where we had 408 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium and the clock was ticking in our favor.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran was always the under dog. Just compare the defense spending between Iran and the U.S. Iran's stance has always been defensive!

Is it defensive to make the destruction of your more powerful enemy the central point of your entire state identity and foreign policy? is it defensive to constantly threaten that enemy with destruction?

if that enemy thinks you are serious about your threats to destroy them, and sees you taking steps to become more powerful, they will, acting rationally, act to destroy you before you become powerful. right?

 

[Xerxes22]

When you were "supporting" the resistance, where you under some kind of delusion that the Axis of Resistance and Iran in particular where some how stronger than the combined Zionist west and their Sunni arab puppets?

Yes I was and I believe they still are. It wasn't delusion, it was belief. I believe in Iran. Hence my frustration. However, no matter how much cheerleading I've done in the past and still do, it doesnt prevent my intellect to assess with thorough honesty of what has happened. All it takes is honesty. So if you lack anything in your perception, it's just that.

I don't expect any sophistication from you though. Since, you are clearly a man who let's his hormones do the thinking for him as it is clear by your repeated statements highlighting my origin. Let me tell you sumfin punk, wherever it is that I was born or wherever it is that I am. My heart is Persian. And it will remain so, regardless of what you say.

It's my regard for truth that made me love Iran in the first place and its my regard for truth that makes me say that which is true, We have been let down by our leaders. We have been let down and the conflict was a defeat.

A clear strategic defeat. Whatever ppl like you say won't change a thing but the entire nation must live with the consequences. So yeah go and take another dose of what you been taking and fly high.

 

[Kyussis]

Yes I was and I believe they still are. It wasn't delusion, it was belief. I believe in Iran. Hence my frustration. However, no matter how much cheerleading I've done in the past and still do, it doesnt prevent my intellect to assess with thorough honesty of what has happened. All it takes is honesty. So if you lack anything in your perception, it's just that.

I don't expect any sophistication from you though. Since, you are clearly a man who let's his hormones do the thinking for him as it is clear by your repeated statements highlighting my origin. Let me tell you sumfin punk, wherever it is that I was born or wherever it is that I am. My heart is Persian. And it will remain so, regardless of what you say.

It's my regard for truth that made me love Iran in the first place and its my regard for truth that makes me say that which is true, We have been let down by our leaders. We have been let down and the conflict was a defeat.

A clear strategic defeat. Whatever ppl like you say won't change a thing but the entire nation must live with the consequences. So yeah go and take another dose of what you been taking and fly high.

You are from Bangladesh. Your heart is not "Persian". That's just your delusion! There is no difference between you and the Indians who are "Israel Chi" Its the same cringe! You are a Bangladeshi, Is there anything wrong with that that makes you want to be something you are not?

 

[Persian Gulf]

You are from Bangladesh. Your heart is not "Persian". That's just your delusion! There is no difference between you and the Indians who are "Israel Chi" Its the same cringe! You are a Bangladeshi, Is there anything wrong with that that makes you want to be something you are not?

stop personal attacks and respond on the merits

 

[Kyussis]

Is it defensive to make the destruction of your more powerful enemy the central point of your entire state identity and foreign policy? is it defensive to constantly threaten that enemy with destruction?

if that enemy thinks you are serious about your threats to destroy them, and sees you taking steps to become more powerful, they will, acting rationally, act to destroy you before you become powerful. right?

stop personal attacks and respond on the merits

That is not an "attack". he is not "persian",what ever that means!

 

[Jalz]

I don't disagree with that but you're missing one critical part of the equation.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that both sides can attack each other at will and distance is not a problem at all.

Who do you think will run out of bombs and missiles first? Israel or Iran?
Do you think Iran can continue firing barrages of missiles for a year?

So, it's not only Iran's missiles that are preventing Israel from attacking Iran at will. Wars are not fought with scenarios where you both fire at each other until one side gives up.

The US-Israeli attack on Iran has already caused significant changes in the behavior of the IR. The IR is trying to keep it cool and is looking for a way out through negotiations. You cannot deny that Iran's position is much weaker than 2-3 months ago where we had 408 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium and the clock was ticking in our favor.

Of course but the negotiations are being stalled at the moment. Araqichi conversation with the europeans wasn't serious at all. It just mostly seemed like he was trying to stall diplomacy. We are in a weaker position but I think the IR will escalate by striking oil tankers in the persian gulf to increase oil prices to put pressure on the US to end the war sooner. Khamenei already implied the reformists are retarded for trying to negotiate. We will have to see what happens. Right now, Iran must fight Israel to a stand still and abandon the axis of resistance to secure a permanent peace. Khamenei is probably going to abandon confrontation with Israel to build up the country military with the lessons of the 12 day war. Saving the regime's skin is more important than fighting Israel for him despite his rhetoric.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That is not an "attack". he is not "persian",what ever that means!

that's off topic and his origins are irrelevant. he is allowed to express his view

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

people calm down.... dont disrespect each other.

peace, argue intelligently

 

[Kyussis]

Is it defensive to make the destruction of your more powerful enemy the central point of your entire state identity and foreign policy? is it defensive to constantly threaten that enemy with destruction?

if that enemy thinks you are serious about your threats to destroy them, and sees you taking steps to become more powerful, they will, acting rationally, act to destroy you before you become powerful. right?

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice. Unfortunately, There were 17 million Iranians who voted for a guy that had had as his official plan that he had "no plan" and we have thousands of the lowest low lives that have sold out Iran for a fist full of U.S dollars and their love for everything "western".