Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

@Xerxes22 you should also stop personal attacks. stick to the merits

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice.

to defeat a much stronger enemy right now is not feasible. first you need to sacrifice 100 years to become stronger and work on delinking the USA from Israel through public opinion and improving your lobbying in the US. then you can think about defeating them

 

[Kyussis]

@Xerxes22 you should also stop personal attacks. stick to the merits


to defeat a much stronger enemy right now is not feasible. first you need to sacrifice 100 years to become stronger and work on delinking the USA from Israel through public opinion and improving your lobbying in the US. then you can think about defeating them

There won't be an Iran left by then!

 

[Persian Gulf]

There won't be an Iran left by then!

not if IRI continues to threaten destruction of Israel which controls the west before IRI is strong enough to back up the threats

 

[Jalz]

There won't be an Iran left by then!

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

 

[Kyussis]

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

Nope, No thanks!!!

 

[Hack-Hook]

How did he not get arrested for this?

Another treason by the agents of the West in Iran.

Because the nuclear data that were taken out of Iran by Israel show iran was working on some explosive devices before 2000.

The question is why deny something that Iran previously admitted to IAEA and is not even something that they care about

 

[Kyussis]

not if IRI continues to threaten destruction of Israel which controls the west before IRI is strong enough to back up the threats

I ran was at the negotiation table when Israel attacked. Our enemy is after our destruction and the only thing holding it back is the fact that both in Israel and Qatar Iran proved that It has the ability to strike back and that missile defense is not as impenetrable as the West had previously thought! This is why we do not see the Israelis carrying out air strike and instead are using their saboteurs as to not give Iran the excuse to fire more missiles into the occupied entity.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because the nuclear data that were taken out of Iran by Israel show iran was working on some explosive devices before 2000.

The question is why deny something that Iran previously admitted to IAEA and is not even something that they care about

Iran admits some nuclear work took place pre 2003 but denies veracity of stolen nuclear documents

it is not this politician's place to speak for Iran and contradict the state narrative, even if it is not true.

 

[BigMela2onin]

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice. Unfortunately, There were 17 million Iranians who voted for a guy that had had as his official plan that he had "no plan" and we have thousands of the lowest low lives that have sold out Iran for a fist full of U.S dollars and their love for everything "western".

They did not vote for sleepy no-plan pezeshkian but rather voted against the system that ruined the economy and cannot provide even water and electricity who now plans to import from Russia and Turkmenistan while it flares of 17 billion m3 of gas annually. The same system that created the social conditions for the jews to recruit thousands of saboteurs and brought in millions of Afghans who betrayed us for not even $100. Actually the majority did not vote at all. In fact, khamenei allows the reformists to be elected every other cycle and ruin Iran's relations with nations like China because it suits his goal of keeping Iran weak and poor. Reformists play their role as the wreckers to pass blame onto as he continues to block military development.

 

[BigMela2onin]

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

You guys still don't get it, the jews won't even allow this. They want to destroy everything as they do in Lebanon and Syria. They will move onto Jordan, Egypt, and eventually Turkey. We are seeing calls for the "liberation" of North Cyprus in their media even now.
Iran will never be allowed to reintegrate into the global economy, only if it is balkanized into miniature ethnostates like Yugoslavia was. The ONLY option for survival is nuclear weaponization and FULL COMPLETE realignment east.

 

[Immortals]

The ONLY option for survival is nuclear weaponization and FULL COMPLETE realignment east.

So Iranians toppled the Shah to go from a western client state to an Eastern one?

And what makes you think China even has a desire to have Iran in its orbit after repeated rejections by the Iranian side for 20 years?

, the jews won't even allow this. They want to destroy everything as they do in Lebanon and Syria. They will move onto Jordan, Egypt, and eventually Turkey. We are seeing calls for the "liberation" of North Cyprus in their media even now.

Why is that Iran’s problem? Iran’s problem is it decided to pick one cause and bet the entire country and its future on it before actually building a country that could enforce that cause.

The only country hypothetically that can stand up to the Zionists is China, because they have the socio economic and military apparatus to do so. Iran had none of these. It was fighting a country that had the full backing and might of US economic and military empire.

Why should iran care what happens to Egypt or Jordan? They have Saudi Arabia and Turkey to help them.

Right now as Iran is the most vulnerable it has been since Iran/Iraw war who do you see rushing to help Iran?

NK? Nope
China? Nope
Russia? Nope
Iraq? Nope
Any Arab countries? Besides Yemen? NO!

Nukes aren’t going to save you. You think if you had nukes the U.S. wouldn’t bomb Natanz/Fordow? That Israel wouldn’t? Of course they would, because they know Iran isn’t going to fire a nuclear weapon in response. Deterrence was lost a long time ago by this incompetent set of leaders Iran has.

 

[BigMela2onin]

So Iranians toppled the Shah to go from a western client state to an Eastern one?

I answered this in the other thread just now.

And what makes you think China even has a desire to have Iran in its orbit after repeated rejections by the Iranian side for 20 years?

It doesn't, we can thank the reformists for that as I noted above.

Why is that Iran’s problem?

It's not, but you cannot make a deal with someone who holds all the cards and has no desire for a deal. What is the incentive as the US to make a deal when you can just keep tightening the noose instead at no cost? What does Iran have that they can't get elsewhere?

Nukes aren’t going to save you. You think if you had nukes the U.S. wouldn’t bomb Natanz/Fordow? That Israel wouldn’t? Of course they would, because they know Iran isn’t going to fire a nuclear weapon in response. Deterrence was lost a long time ago by this incompetent set of leaders Iran has.

I have said before that nukes are useless without the will to use them. Yes, khamanei and pathetic IR leaders have to go, there is no alternative. However that happening now guarantees division of Iran, so we're stuck. They will never go for nuclearization anyways. It was obvious when they bombed empty hangars in response to Soleimani's murder and bragged about giving them concussions.

 

[Immortals]

I answered this in the other thread just now.

It doesn't, we can thank the reformists for that as I noted above.

It's not, but you cannot make a deal with someone who holds all the cards and has no desire for a deal. What is the incentive as the US to make a deal when you can just keep tightening the noose instead at no cost? What does Iran have that they can't get elsewhere?

I have said before that nukes are useless without the will to use them. Yes, khamanei and pathetic IR leaders have to go, there is no alternative. However that happening now guarantees division of Iran, so we're stuck. They will never go for nuclearization anyways. It was obvious when they bombed empty hangars in response to Soleimani's murder and bragged about giving them concussions.

A logical response. But your suggestions are too late for this country to now follow. The time to act was a decade ago. Many talked about this problem on this board and how the status quo (no war/no nukes/no negotiations) was not a sustainable strategy. Toman continued to devalue and economy continued to weaken. Infrastructure continued to decay.

Khamenai thought he could just do nothing until dying and pass the nuclear problem on to the successor.

There simply isn’t any cards left to play. Running to China or Russia is like running to a loan shark to get money to prevent bankruptcy. Sure in the short term you solve the immediate problem, but in the long term you checkmated yourself.

At this point Iran needs a miracle to happen from somewhere to save a runaway implosion.

I simply don’t think China is the answer. I don’t even know if there are any answers to be honest with you.

 

[Persian Gulf]

A logical response. But your suggestions are too late for this country to now follow. The time to act was a decade ago. Many talked about this problem on this board and how the status quo (no war/no nukes/no negotiations) was not a sustainable strategy. Toman continued to devalue and economy continued to weaken. Infrastructure continued to decay.

Khamenai thought he could just do nothing until dying and pass the nuclear problem on to the successor.

there are a lot of parallels between Iran and Hezbollah

and if the transition from Nasrallah (we will never leave the south, no end to war unless the Gaza war ends) --> Naim Qasem (agrees to withdraw from the south, agrees to end of war, absorbs daily strikes and killings with no response) is any guide, Iran's post-Khamenei future will make us miss these glory days

 

[kastor ville]

the retard Ali Motahari

this old clip from 2022 was spread again by Zionist influence accounts on Twitter with great success as it was just reposted by President Trump

This motherfker needs to be picked up and dragged on his ass to the intelligence ministry to explain who gave him permission to say such things on the airwave. I would slap his retard ass in court as his punishment