Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jalz]

I don't disagree with that but you're missing one critical part of the equation.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that both sides can attack each other at will and distance is not a problem at all.

Who do you think will run out of bombs and missiles first? Israel or Iran?
Do you think Iran can continue firing barrages of missiles for a year?

So, it's not only Iran's missiles that are preventing Israel from attacking Iran at will. Wars are not fought with scenarios where you both fire at each other until one side gives up.

The US-Israeli attack on Iran has already caused significant changes in the behavior of the IR. The IR is trying to keep it cool and is looking for a way out through negotiations. You cannot deny that Iran's position is much weaker than 2-3 months ago where we had 408 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium and the clock was ticking in our favor.

Of course but the negotiations are being stalled at the moment. Araqichi conversation with the europeans wasn't serious at all. It just mostly seemed like he was trying to stall diplomacy. We are in a weaker position but I think the IR will escalate by striking oil tankers in the persian gulf to increase oil prices to put pressure on the US to end the war sooner. Khamenei already implied the reformists are retarded for trying to negotiate. We will have to see what happens. Right now, Iran must fight Israel to a stand still and abandon the axis of resistance to secure a permanent peace. Khamenei is probably going to abandon confrontation with Israel to build up the country military with the lessons of the 12 day war. Saving the regime's skin is more important than fighting Israel for him despite his rhetoric.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That is not an "attack". he is not "persian",what ever that means!

that's off topic and his origins are irrelevant. he is allowed to express his view

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

people calm down.... dont disrespect each other.

peace, argue intelligently

 

[Kyussis]

Is it defensive to make the destruction of your more powerful enemy the central point of your entire state identity and foreign policy? is it defensive to constantly threaten that enemy with destruction?

if that enemy thinks you are serious about your threats to destroy them, and sees you taking steps to become more powerful, they will, acting rationally, act to destroy you before you become powerful. right?

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice. Unfortunately, There were 17 million Iranians who voted for a guy that had had as his official plan that he had "no plan" and we have thousands of the lowest low lives that have sold out Iran for a fist full of U.S dollars and their love for everything "western".

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Xerxes22 you should also stop personal attacks. stick to the merits

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice.

to defeat a much stronger enemy right now is not feasible. first you need to sacrifice 100 years to become stronger and work on delinking the USA from Israel through public opinion and improving your lobbying in the US. then you can think about defeating them

 

[Kyussis]

@Xerxes22 you should also stop personal attacks. stick to the merits


to defeat a much stronger enemy right now is not feasible. first you need to sacrifice 100 years to become stronger and work on delinking the USA from Israel through public opinion and improving your lobbying in the US. then you can think about defeating them

There won't be an Iran left by then!

 

[Persian Gulf]

There won't be an Iran left by then!

not if IRI continues to threaten destruction of Israel which controls the west before IRI is strong enough to back up the threats

 

[Jalz]

There won't be an Iran left by then!

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

 

[Kyussis]

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

Nope, No thanks!!!

 

[Hack-Hook]

How did he not get arrested for this?

Another treason by the agents of the West in Iran.

Because the nuclear data that were taken out of Iran by Israel show iran was working on some explosive devices before 2000.

The question is why deny something that Iran previously admitted to IAEA and is not even something that they care about

 

[Kyussis]

not if IRI continues to threaten destruction of Israel which controls the west before IRI is strong enough to back up the threats

I ran was at the negotiation table when Israel attacked. Our enemy is after our destruction and the only thing holding it back is the fact that both in Israel and Qatar Iran proved that It has the ability to strike back and that missile defense is not as impenetrable as the West had previously thought! This is why we do not see the Israelis carrying out air strike and instead are using their saboteurs as to not give Iran the excuse to fire more missiles into the occupied entity.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because the nuclear data that were taken out of Iran by Israel show iran was working on some explosive devices before 2000.

The question is why deny something that Iran previously admitted to IAEA and is not even something that they care about

Iran admits some nuclear work took place pre 2003 but denies veracity of stolen nuclear documents

it is not this politician's place to speak for Iran and contradict the state narrative, even if it is not true.

 

[BigMela2onin]

After everything we have seen in the past 2 years. Not only is the destruction of the Genocidal Apartheid state of Israel a necessity for Iran it is also the only moral choice. Unfortunately, There were 17 million Iranians who voted for a guy that had had as his official plan that he had "no plan" and we have thousands of the lowest low lives that have sold out Iran for a fist full of U.S dollars and their love for everything "western".

They did not vote for sleepy no-plan pezeshkian but rather voted against the system that ruined the economy and cannot provide even water and electricity who now plans to import from Russia and Turkmenistan while it flares of 17 billion m3 of gas annually. The same system that created the social conditions for the jews to recruit thousands of saboteurs and brought in millions of Afghans who betrayed us for not even $100. Actually the majority did not vote at all. In fact, khamenei allows the reformists to be elected every other cycle and ruin Iran's relations with nations like China because it suits his goal of keeping Iran weak and poor. Reformists play their role as the wreckers to pass blame onto as he continues to block military development.

 

[BigMela2onin]

There can. We just have to become like erdogon. Pretend to care about the palestinian issue while doing business with the West and never having any intention of confronting Israel. Becoming isolationist is what Iran needs. Sacrificing our development on inter-semite wars has been the worst mistake in Iran's history.

You guys still don't get it, the jews won't even allow this. They want to destroy everything as they do in Lebanon and Syria. They will move onto Jordan, Egypt, and eventually Turkey. We are seeing calls for the "liberation" of North Cyprus in their media even now.
Iran will never be allowed to reintegrate into the global economy, only if it is balkanized into miniature ethnostates like Yugoslavia was. The ONLY option for survival is nuclear weaponization and FULL COMPLETE realignment east.

 

[Immortals]

The ONLY option for survival is nuclear weaponization and FULL COMPLETE realignment east.

So Iranians toppled the Shah to go from a western client state to an Eastern one?

And what makes you think China even has a desire to have Iran in its orbit after repeated rejections by the Iranian side for 20 years?

, the jews won't even allow this. They want to destroy everything as they do in Lebanon and Syria. They will move onto Jordan, Egypt, and eventually Turkey. We are seeing calls for the "liberation" of North Cyprus in their media even now.

Why is that Iran’s problem? Iran’s problem is it decided to pick one cause and bet the entire country and its future on it before actually building a country that could enforce that cause.

The only country hypothetically that can stand up to the Zionists is China, because they have the socio economic and military apparatus to do so. Iran had none of these. It was fighting a country that had the full backing and might of US economic and military empire.

Why should iran care what happens to Egypt or Jordan? They have Saudi Arabia and Turkey to help them.

Right now as Iran is the most vulnerable it has been since Iran/Iraw war who do you see rushing to help Iran?

NK? Nope
China? Nope
Russia? Nope
Iraq? Nope
Any Arab countries? Besides Yemen? NO!

Nukes aren’t going to save you. You think if you had nukes the U.S. wouldn’t bomb Natanz/Fordow? That Israel wouldn’t? Of course they would, because they know Iran isn’t going to fire a nuclear weapon in response. Deterrence was lost a long time ago by this incompetent set of leaders Iran has.