Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

tsunset said:
China gifts free J-20 to Iran

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That's a gesture of goodwill from Chinese military which is appreciated. It doesn't mean that they gonna give Iran their top tech fighter jet. China has always been friendly to Iran, yet it doesn't mean they have to pull our weight or fight our wars.

However, we have military/economic overlap of interests. Hence, the current cooperation and political cooperation.
 
muhammed45 said:
That's a gesture of goodwill from Chinese military which is appreciated. It doesn't mean that they gonna give Iran their top tech fighter jet. China has always been friendly to Iran, yet it doesn't mean they have to pull our weight or fight our wars.

However, we have military/economic overlap of interests. Hence, the current cooperation and political cooperation.
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If they gave FC-31/J-31 it would be a massive breakthru in Chinese-Iranian military relations. However, I doubt Xi would ever do such a thing. Mao would have.

The last major arms deal between Iran and China was for C-801/C-802 in 2000. That deal didn’t go very smoothly and Iran and China have refrained from any major weapon system deals since.

China won’t sell Iran any major offensive weapon systems and risk geopolitical headaches with the West. They rather sell less plausible things such as components, raw materials, precursor fuels, and the likes that are hard to trace and see.
 
Immortals said:
If they gave FC-31/J-31 it would be a massive breakthru in Chinese-Iranian military relations. However, I doubt Xi would ever do such a thing. Mao would have.

The last major arms deal between Iran and China was for C-801/C-802 in 2000. That deal didn’t go very smoothly and Iran and China have refrained from any major weapon system deals since.

China won’t sell Iran any major offensive weapon systems and risk geopolitical headaches with the West. They rather sell less plausible things such as components, raw materials, precursor fuels, and the likes that are hard to trace and see.
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Even USA depends on Chinese raw materials, rare earths etc.

I believe the major obstacle is absence of an independent payment system. Chinese side is not that willing to develop a major challenging system to SWIFT and other western payment systems. Until that happens, don't expect any major deal with China.
 
tsunset said:
AI Quantum Kowsar Block.IV Pro+ Max with Fakour 105+ 600km range BVR with Quantum sensors makes J-20 look like a child's toy
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5th gen fighter program is more challenging & difficult than a nuclear weapons program. Its beyond the total national capabilities of most countries including Iran. I am sure you have written above statement as a joke as not even US can write-off J-20. J-20 is peak tech, only rivaled by F-22 raptor.

Iran should first focus on how to counter Israeli F-16s & F-15s. Most of Israeli aircrafts used in 12 day war were F-15s because of their longer range and weapon payload. Iran should acquire SAM systems that can hit those fighter aircrafts or long range air to air missiles for its own fighter jets, missiles with most sophisticated electronics to withstand jaming and perform accurately in dense EW environment. PL15, Pl17 kind of missiles.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Wednesday/Thursday is going to be very important for the future of the middle east. It can go one way or the other. That is how fine things are right now.
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we go through this every weekend.

I still don't think they will attack iran, they're cowards, even with technology.

Is USA willing to let go of its own interests in the region and start a war for the zion puppies of israel? I doubt it.
The world economy cannot fathom another big war right now, if it ignites, the fire may spread.......even india might take it as an opportunity to restart their "paused" op sindoor.....

What is exactly making you think this weekend coming up will be important than the ones passed? Please enlighten us
 

This is what they want to do in Iran but worse:

Pipelines of -98% discount oil and gas directly to Syria to supply Jewlani, directly to Israel and EU to give them nearly free oil and gas supplies to fight against Russia and China

They will create a vassal company probably named something like "AngloJewishPersian Alliance Oil Company" just like the APOC Anglo-Persian oil company during the Shah era

China, Russia will also be losers in this situation, as Europe will import less Russian gas with the 90% discounted Iranian gas and oil flowing via Iranian slaves built pipelines directly to them
 
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Iran revealed the official numbers, 3119 deaths, case is closed, any other numbers are fabrications without facts.
 
Homajon said:
They defend Iran not because of the facts on the ground, but because Erdogan acts like he is defending Iran. If he tomorrow says something different, Turks will also act different, even if the facts on the ground show the opposite.

Never forget who the snake is!

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www.jpost.com

Turkey warns of nuclear arms race if Iran gets weapons | The Jerusalem Post

Turkish FM Hakan Fidan also said that the idea that US or Israeli airstrikes on Iran could lead to regime change was "a pipe dream."
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But they are not concerned that their "enemy" Israel has nukes.....

Just as I said, you can NEVER trust these snakes!!!

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muhammed45 said:
Even USA depends on Chinese raw materials, rare earths etc.

I believe the major obstacle is absence of an independent payment system. Chinese side is not that willing to develop a major challenging system to SWIFT and other western payment systems. Until that happens, don't expect any major deal with China.
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Having a China-made SWIFT-like messaging network does not solve the core issue by itself. SWIFT is mainly plumbing for financial messages. The harder parts are settlement, correspondent access, compliance risk, and liquidity.

Even with a "SWIFT-similar" rail, you still need a settlement currency that people can reliably obtain and use. If trade is settled in renminbi, you need RMB liquidity. That can come from FX markets, offshore RMB like CNH, trade finance, or central bank swap lines. But it is still constrained by China's capital controls and by how deep and open RMB markets are.

If settlement is not in RMB, China usually will not want to accumulate lots of foreign local currencies unless they are easy to convert and easy to use. So the bottleneck is not just messaging. It is currency convertibility, market access, and risk, including sanctions and secondary-sanctions risk. That is why a SWIFT alternative alone does not automatically unlock major deals.
 
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Three options, trump is acting like good host, announced negotiations crashed or he is adding one more chip like last time before Oman talks.
 
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