Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Falcon29]

Of course, the most obvious example is that Iran has imported large quantities of ammonium perchlorate from China as rocket propellant, which has triggered U.S. sanctions. From September to October 2025 alone, China provided Iran with over 2,000 tons of ammonium perchlorate.

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Is Iran paying for it ? Can China provide more than what they currently provide or do they avoid doing so to avoid trouble with Europe and the US ?

It appears Iran's industrial capacity is not robust enough to comfortably deal with Israeli threat. I do not believe Iran has capacity to build 300 MRBM's a month (that can reach Israel ).

That claim originated from an Israeli newspaper. Now Israeli officials are saying Iran could get back to 1500-2000 range of missile inventory (that can reach Israel ) within some months if left alone.

It appears like Chinese leadership don't have confidence or trust in Iranian leadership and thus won't help Iran achieve industrial capacity to meet such production levels

 

[Falcon29]

Israel talks of the missiles that can reach Israel.

If any conflict kicks off Israel will have a big advantage with all the US Thaad and Patriot deployments in the region

Bigger advantage than June 2025

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[Shags101]

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Three options, trump is acting like good host, announced negotiations crashed or he is adding one more chip like last time before Oman talks.

if the Iranians actually thought about giving up their main offensive ability im fairly certain there would be a military coup the next day

 

[Falcon29]

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Israel talks of the missiles that can reach Israel.

If any conflict kicks off Israel will have a big advantage with all the US Thaad and Patriot deployments in the region

Bigger advantage than June 2025

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Makes sense. Iran is able to build 50-100 MRBM's per month. It will need till end of year to recover to pre-war strength. That is the strength reserved for Israel.

For rest of region it is more prepared. Israel, by taking out Iran's MRBM inventory, will ensure that the US, local states, and Iran face consequences of any future conflict based around Iran, alone. Sparing Israel entirely.

China and Russia won't upset Israel as they gain something from pleasing the Jewish-American community by being nice with Israel. They won't help Iran expand its industrial capacity. Beyond the shorter range drones and missiles that can threaten energy supplies in region as a way to counter US influence.

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Israel talks of the missiles that can reach Israel.

If any conflict kicks off Israel will have a big advantage with all the US Thaad and Patriot deployments in the region

Bigger advantage than June 2025

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we don't need to parrot Israeli claims too much

but even if it's true, those 1,500-2,000 MRBMs should all be sent to central Tel Aviv for maximum destruction, rather than wasting time with sparse military bases

 

[muhammed45]

Having a China-made SWIFT-like messaging network does not solve the core issue by itself. SWIFT is mainly plumbing for financial messages. The harder parts are settlement, correspondent access, compliance risk, and liquidity.

Even with a "SWIFT-similar" rail, you still need a settlement currency that people can reliably obtain and use. If trade is settled in renminbi, you need RMB liquidity. That can come from FX markets, offshore RMB like CNH, trade finance, or central bank swap lines. But it is still constrained by China's capital controls and by how deep and open RMB markets are.

If settlement is not in RMB, China usually will not want to accumulate lots of foreign local currencies unless they are easy to convert and easy to use. So the bottleneck is not just messaging. It is currency convertibility, market access, and risk, including sanctions and secondary-sanctions risk. That is why a SWIFT alternative alone does not automatically unlock major deals.

I can bring you hundreds of thousands excuses to continue dependence on dollar and western payment systems. However, its not only the fault of China but also every country that has made dollar the reserve currency of their Central banks.

As we know already dollar is a poison that sickens economies around the world and also paves the way for putting pressure on independent countries. Not to mention their money printing capability and that out of thin air, that makes them always ahead of real economies.

The inflation of dollar is spread all around the globe.

BRICS currency is the way forward but as a matter of fact, US threats yielded and China backs off.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Turkey warns of nuclear arms race if Iran gets weapons | The Jerusalem Post

Turkish FM Hakan Fidan also said that the idea that US or Israeli airstrikes on Iran could lead to regime change was "a pipe dream."

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But they are not concerned that their "enemy" Israel has nukes.....

Just as I said, you can NEVER trust these snakes!!!

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Turkey shows its position is for 80% the same as the zionist regime.

Iran should just flatten Doha city, hitting civilian and economic targets and then destroy its energy infrastructure completely, making it impossible to be rebuild for 100 years. Azerbaijani oil and pipelines should also be hit to paralyse the economies of Zionist Axis in Persian gulf, Caucasus.

 

[Falcon29]

we don't need to parrot Israeli claims too much

but even if it's true, those 1,500-2,000 MRBMs should all be sent to central Tel Aviv for maximum destruction, rather than wasting time with sparse military bases

No, my friend, we need exposure. I've argued that AoR needs to expose itself to reality and adjust accordingly. Let's over estimate the enemy rather than underestimate them. That's what Hamas's thought process.

It also means let's be realistic about strategy the AoR can spearhead. If its defensive containment, then this has to be properly communicated between the the entire axis and strategic patience has to be exercised with a focus on defensive containment of Israel/US.

That's assuming the AoR recovers from this current state which we won't know for another few years or so.

Obviously with Israel forcing their hand, there's no room to adopt defensive posture at the moment. I'm talking in terms of relative future

 

[Shags101]

we don't need to parrot Israeli claims too much

but even if it's true, those 1,500-2,000 MRBMs should all be sent to central Tel Aviv for maximum destruction, rather than wasting time with sparse military bases

So I always this was odd so Iran sent close to a thousand missiles at Israel let’s say Israel destroyed a couple hundred I don’t see Iran firing off half their known inventory at Israel unless they have many more in those underground cities.
Whatever may or may not happen I’m hoping Iran has got their srbm positioned and whatever allies may or may not join in this upcoming conflict are ready even the Iraqi groups all they need to hit Israel from their territory is srbm if they are fired off closer to the border let’s say hypothetically if they have been building in house they could have hundreds if not thousands of srbm a lot easier to conceal those than large mrbm

 

[Falcon29]

Fars News Agency quoting Larijani: Perhaps we will witness a change in political positions in the coming period.

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[Aryan_B]

US-Iran talks are not a countdown to conflict

Diplomacy remains the most preferable option both for Iran and the US as tensions between the two countries rise.

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Finally someone that makes sense.

This sums it up very well:

"They reflect a shared recognition in Washington and Tehran that 15 years of coercion, pressure and force have failed to produce decisive outcomes, and that escalation now would be vastly more dangerous than before."

but its not upto Iran or US its up to Israel

 

[hasn2009]

Shame there are animals who would like these angels to be killed

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There were those on here who called US move in Venezuela a failure. Like I said, Venezuela is quickly falling in line. They only have to look at Cuba to see what the U.S. can do if you continue to antagonize it.