Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Immortals said:
Well iran likely has lost its F-14’s.

Not just ALBMs, drones, suicide drones, F-35’s are def inside Iranian airspace, and secret RQ-180 like drones are likely acting as AWACs and guiding suicide drones to the target.

They are pulling all the stops. Iran got caught completely off guard and humiliated.
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iran not off guard... they cannot give that excuse.. whole world knows Israel was preparing attack apparently they didn't
 
Salza said:
No. Stop this churan that Pak will be next BLA BLA BLA. We don't fight proxy wars in middle east. You Pakistani kids doesn't know anything about geo politics. We kept limited ourselves to Kashmir. Good that we have given up our support to Talibans as well.
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First, learn how to speak with your elders without emotional outbursts that have no thought or reasoning behind them.

What you limit yourself to is your problem; the others do not care about the boundaries you set, which others can exploit to their advantage.

While you kids were celebrating our recent actions with India on this forum, the most senior members weren't jumping around in joy but evaluating the seriousness of the situation and the erosion of the nuclear deterrent and threshold, which, too, the other side and external actors are evaluating.
 
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Starlord said:
I think its unfair to think Iran can intercept most of the missiles, few yes but majority will make their way throw no question about that, due to its size... Real question is what will Iran do ? now Israel has declared war, killed top generals and scientists, attack BM bases, basically send Iran's missile program decades back, and it will take years for next generation scientists to be as good as the current ones, which are now sadly dead...
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the bare minimum is to pull out of NPT and race to a bomb. The few scientists killed aren’t needed to get a nuclear bomb built. Nukes are 1940’s tech they aren’t some holy grail. The question is does Iran have the guts to do this.

It’s all about political will at this point. The good news is some idiots in upper leadership have been killed and hopefully this wakes up leadership.

But it looks like Khamenai does not want war. Iran is going to see if U.S. will give it an off ramp and a better deal.
 
College students in America are also out of school. Antiwar protests will not be as organized and/or prevalent.
 
SteppeWolff said:
It's too early to say anything.

Yes, it has been a disaster for IRI as of yet. But its IRI we are talking about, not Lebanon, Syria etc. They do have the capability to raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to ashes. Exactly why Zions went for decapitation strikes to create havoc in the C&C of their military and political leadership. Its psychological warfare as much as it's a kinetic one. IRI is 40 years old, I hope they might have residencies in place.

I hope the survivors get their shit straight, account for losses, consolidate and launch massive number of munitions at a sustained and spaced pace.

Otherwise I see no future of IRI which would be very tragic, atleast for me.
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Scott Ritter said several months ago something like 'Iran should ride it out until the Trump Presidency ends. Swallow the bitter pill. Comply until Trump goes away. Because Israelis know many weaknesses of the Iranian state. Look at how Hezbollah was gravely damaged. Look at how Assad was toppled'.
Scott's message was to ride it out because he, being a well wisher of Iran and Palestinians, clearly saw that under a Trump Presidency, Israel would get almost whatever it would ask for. NO OTHER American President, not even Biden, the self-proclaimed 'I am the biggest Zionist in the world', had given such approval to Israel before. None since 1979. None!
But Scott was chewed out by the liberal and the pro Palestinian media. He was called 'compromised' and a 'sell out'.
It is astonishing how little people know about how the much Israel relies on the American political system and how much the very personality of an American President influences foreign policy AND how little a VP's role in countering whatever the President wants.
 
Immortals said:
the bare minimum is to pull out of NPT and race to a bomb. The few scientists killed aren’t needed to get a nuclear bomb built. Nukes are 1940’s tech they aren’t some holy grail. The question is does Iran have the guts to do this.

It’s all about political will at this point. The good news is some idiots in upper leadership have been killed and hopefully this wakes up leadership.

But it looks like Khamenai does not want war. Iran is going to see if U.S. will give it an off ramp and a better deal.
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If there is no war and the Iranian people don't string up Khamenei, then there is no hope for Iran or Iranians.
 
Iran seems to be pre-emptived by Israel. Where is the Iran airforce?
 
Iran isn't given a choice. War was inevitable which is why Hamas told them to preempt it.

Israel will continue attacking because the US is leading the entire attack and backing it. They're not actually seeking diplomacy.
 
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