Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mobius]

 

[Meengla]

This would indirectly help Iran as US would see Indo-Pacific as a threat and hesitate wasting their military in the middle east.

Obama wanted to wash American hands off the Middle East for the 'pivot' to 'Indo Pacific' and thus JCPOA happened. Granted, he, like every American President since 1967, still wanted to give Israel the primacy in the region but the primacy which Donald Trump is giving, to America's own detriment.
A self-destructive American Presidency is in place, too beholden to a tiny remote country. And hence this war.

 

[r3alist]

It is still too early to tell.

The surviving Iranian leadership basically have three choices at this point: stay the course till the end, change course and arrive at a settlement that allows the same theocratic setup to continue, or capitulate.

What they choose will determine what they regard as a viable outcome.

For the war effort they are very likely dispersing command structures.


In any case, this focus on the leadership is less material after the death of khameni. What can possibly be more for Iranians.

 

[Feroze]

That oil and gas goes to the near 100% benefit of the usual suspects.

The profits go to whorish Western prostitute models that their sheiks pay 100k a pop for a night with. Their investments go to the Western financial system. During the 2008 financial crisis when the anti-zionists were cheering the usual suspects were losing billions, arab billions went to save the banks. They buy US made toys from the military industrial product. They finance billions and funnel billions to trump crypto and other pay to play scheme. They sell out Palestinians. It is a circular economy that benefits the usual suspects with the leftovers for the carnival stuff you see as you drop your jaw at the pretty buildings. That is the zionist arabs. Sell Outs.

You mean western prostitutes in Dubai. Lol.

 

[VCheng]

For the war effort they are very likely dispersing command structures.


In any case, this focus on the leadership is less material after the death of khameni. What can possibly be more for Iranians.

Dispersed command structures are more resilient, but in the end, logistics of resupplying will matter the most for how long the Iranians can keep their effort going.

Iran is bigger than just one man. They have plans already working to ensure a smooth continuity of leadership after Khamenei.

 

[BHAN85]

Viva Manolete y Pedrete

A lot of American aircrafts come and go from those bases last weeks, towards Middle East, for use it against Iran.

Dont believe a single word coming from Spanish left and far left and you will be happier. They are the most blatant hypocrite and ignorant you will ever know.

Western left is a adulterated strange product, always trying to distract their voters with lies and bizarre things, to conceal the contradictions of rich leaders claiming themselves to search for social justice.

 

[Dark Knight]

They understand what the Arab's do not, that if Spain suffer's any type of terrorist attack no one is coming baby. They are awake and can smell the roses.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Scenes showing the moment the Iranian rocket fell on Beersheba and the falling of dead and wounded

 

[r3alist]

Dispersed command structures are more resilient, but in the end, logistics of resupplying will matter the most for how long the Iranians can keep their effort going.

Iran is bigger than just one man. They have plans already working to ensure a smooth continuity of leadership after Khamenei.

Yes you now agree with me, and disagree with your previous post.

Thanks this is an efficient dialogue.

 

[hasn2009]

There is Spain, and then there are arabs!

 

[Yasser76]

Wars have historically stimulated American economy: Most of the money spent on wars generate income in America. The tens of billions 'given' to Ukraine or spent in Afghanistan was mostly funneled back to America.
Killing is literally a Business in America. And the model has been working for at least century.

Sure, but so much was spent on stuff useless to fight China. F-22 numbers were capped as they had to fund the Long Wars, carrier and sub building slowed down. Defence companies got rich making Humvees and on long tail logsitics.

China forged ahead on high end aircraft and ships and was given a 20 year breathing space. USS Gerald Ford will have been at sea now with various issues for 8 months. F-15Es and F-16s will have much more wear and tear and also 3 planes lost. Carriers, aircraft and crew will need to refit and stockpiles refilled.

US will need to spend hundreds of billions just to get them back to where they were a year ago.

How much money will be diverted from say F-47? Now carriers will compete with Subs for more funds.

All this is great news for China who will simply carry on what they have been doing and make more and more ships and planes and make all these even more sophisticated..

 

[Mobius]

Come to Dubai Habibi....

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Few observations from this conflict

Resilient Iran
Iran has extremely resilient leadership structure and very strong institutions both the leadership / political level and at military level. There's no personality cult or hollow structure based around figures. That is the reason its able to mount such a response even when almost entire leadership was decapitated. No other country could have done what Iran has done.

End of United States untouchable status
Iran is hitting US interests mercilessly. It shows US has limitations, it has vulnerabilities, it has weak points, its getting hit by already a wounded opponent. US only achievements come from because MASSIVE head start advantage that Iranians gave to Americans on a platter. I just saw US joint staff PR, in which he details how months of effort, training and planning was executed at H-hour when 100s of fighters and other assets hit over 1000 targets. Imagine, If Iran would have not them do that, Iran would have hit them first and throw all their plans at disarray and create absolute chaos in enemy ranks. Iran would have been able to utilize those 100s of launchers and missiles which were wasted and never put to use just because Iran let americans hit the first major blow. Iran did this mistake of believing americans twice in less than a year. That single moment of US hitting so many targets will remain the biggest US achievement in this war and that was based on deception while talks were going on and because Iranians were fool to believe on americans for diplomatic approach.

The months of preparation for this attack and months of efforts in deployment all around Iran shows that US wanted to kill Iranians from the beginning and knew from day one that they will use talks to gain time while they deploy their forces and prepare for attack. Irony is that now US says that Iran was not serious in talks and was wasting time. That's why I say, there can't be more evil and disgusting breed on planet than americans and their zionist masters.


This war also proves, if Iran can mount such offense against US and its interests and its bases. Then you just can't imagine the level at which China would humiliate the americans. I assume the war will be over really quickly as China is at completely another level from space capabilities to hypersonics that can send whitehouse & pentagon to oblivion.

 

[BHAN85]

I see the problem in it. That's why I said it is necessary for your existence in today's world. Iran should have realized this in 2010 when USA cared little to Attack Iran and had much on it's plate with war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel wasn't that much confident in attacking Iran as well. These days USA military is not doing much and is seeking wars as hobby.

But even in any world, it couldnt be haram / immoral by itself.

The immoral is the misuse (of any weapon/tool), any moral fool would know that.

If you create nukes and store just as deterrence, without intention to use ever, neither as self defense, it couldnt be immoral.

 

[Mobius]