Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SteppeWolff]

Iran obviously feels that what it is, and has been, doing is "fully valid", and it is its sovereign right to do as it decides.

Other countries, of course, will respond, as suits them, as we can see.

And thats how we all are sleepwalking into a regional catastrophic war. We in Pakistan are also "locked in room with a powder-keg".

 

[PK781]

There is no Ummah ! Atleast none as of yet. It'd serve Muslim countries to be realistic instead of chasing fantasy goalposts.

WE are the ummah chummah, we also have the ummah bomb

 

[RescueRanger]

Greek Vessel Keimon is now in Cyprus.

 

[SteppeWolff]

All of the neighbours are the ones enabling attacks on Iran, aren't they ? They cannot keep bullying Iran just on account of being neighbours.

I think Iran gave them a lot of leeway for a long time but just attacking Israel alone is not getting Iran anything anymore, unless those neighbours stop supporting israel.

I don't disagree. But there is a relative limit at which any country can engage in warfare. It'd serve Iran better to utilise their limited missile and drone stock at Israel, and imperial bases in GCC and Jordan.

 

[Master Chief]

If the rumors of the interceptors running low is true, then why launch this war on Iran now, rather than build up the stock and launch later, say, one year later. I think the conflict has started now partly because of the weather--like in the Iraq War 2003-- but also because Netanyahu knows he has about 3 more years of his man in the White House to help with not only this war but more to come.
And as long as Netanyahu and Trump are both in office, there are going to be more wars and territory grab in the Middle East. So we have about three more years of horror in front of us!

Fair assessment.

I also think, the more I listen to Hegseth's psychotic ramblings and now even Lindsey Graham stating "religious war", that Ramadan was deliberately chosen as a start window.

Some of them on Capitol Hill genuinely believe their own hubris.

 

[Meengla]

Because they think in 2 weeks regime will be changed and Iran will be defeated. They call such things miscalculation.

I just hope Russia starts a big offensive on Ukraine.

If they really thought Iran could be 'defeated' in 2 weeks then I have serious doubts they are good planners. I think there are greater plans than Iran. While easy to guess grabbing south Lebanon and further degrading the Houthis, more plans are in place and for that the time is needed as long as Trump is in office and thus the apparent rush to attack Iran.

A Kurdistan, tackling of Turkey; actions on Pakistan via Afghanistan, even possibly via India; cementing the American/Israeli hold on Middle Eastern nations; controlling oil; restricting China's energy options...

While the war on Iran is Netanyahu's personal wish, there are larger American plans too. The current US administration has some maniacs like Rubio who publicly wished for neo-colonialism, Stephen Miller for giving primacy to 'force' in international relations, Mike Huckabee representing the Messianic crazies in US politics and population, and a 'I couldn't care less' President.

 

[Master Chief]

Iran obviously feels that what it is, and has been, doing is "fully valid", and it is its sovereign right to do as it decides.

Other countries, of course, will respond, as suits them, as we can see.

It is not merely a function of what countries deem to be valid or in their interests or otherwise.

Neutrality during conflict is defined well enough. If nations are not adhering to neutrality, then it is quite simply foolish and amateurish of them to ask why missiles are landing on them.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

If they really thought Iran could be 'defeated' in 2 weeks then I have serious doubts they are good planners. I think there are greater plans than Iran. While easy to guess grabbing south Lebanon and further degrading the Houthis, more plans are in place and for that the time is needed as long as Trump is in office and thus the apparent rush to attack Iran.

A Kurdistan, tackling of Turkey; actions on Pakistan via Afghanistan, even possibly via India; cementing the American/Israeli hold on Middle Eastern nations; controlling oil; restricting China's energy options...

While the war on Iran is Netanyahu's personal wish, there are larger American plans too. The current US administration has some maniacs like Rubio who publicly wished for neo-colonialism, Stephen Miller for giving primacy to 'force' in international relations, Mike Huckabee representing the Messianic crazies in US politics and population, and a 'I couldn't care less' President.

Zios weapons manufacturing in India is a Trojan Horse for neighboring countries

 

[PK781]

What about Jordan? Seems to have been spared by iran so far?
Is iran targetting Jordan?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Indian betray its guest and force them to leave and shared coordinates with US.

I don't know if they shared co-ordinates or not of "if they asked the ship to leave", but they should have offered the ship berthing until the war was over.

 

[925boy]

Maybe they just happen to be incompetent this time? People can have their "days"... where they screwed up just for being unusually careless/incompetent.

But US losing fighter jets daily or frequently only means the end date for US involvement in military clashes against iran is already on the wall/in view.

 

[RescueRanger]

Lots of US/UK assets in the region - including an F15/E on track:

 

[Meengla]

Again, as I have said previously, intervening countries are INTERCEPTING those missiles aimed at Israel.
Folks on the forum seem to misunderstand what neutrality entails.
Those intervening countries have an option to be genuinely neutral - either allow overflight of assets of BOTH belligerent nations, or of NEITHER.

Those countries really don't have the 'option' to stop the missiles lest they too get attacked by Israel. And it possible, the interception is even done by the American forces instead of by the local Arab forces, though I am not sure.

But Iran is within its right to target those military assets in neighbor Arab countries which are either intercepting missiles going to Israel or those assets which are used to target Iran itself.

 

[Ali_Baba]

BBC News - UK Prime Minister to give Press Conference on the war in the Middle East today ( 2pm London Time )

( wondering if the UK is going to join the war ... ).

 

[mulj]

shown enough actually!

IR has maintained BM salvos, as I understand

they dont want this news to be out!

regarding jet wreckages, it is irrelevant actually, constant non-stop firing of BM is the real deal!

since last night, IR has launched more than 10 BM (on zio alone), which is a significant number

so, no..... jet wreckage is not important!

In military sense you are right but for usa public it would be devastating effect seeing footage of wreckage.