Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

Well we know where the aircraft carrier is.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

This war to resist American/Israeli Aggression reminds me of Frieza VS the Saiyans in DBZ(Dragon Ball) Anime/Manga.

Frieza is an Evil Alien Emperor ruling over many star systems and planets, and one day one of the vassal races/slave races under his rule rebelled against him, which is the Saiyan Race.

The Saiyans want their freedom so they no longer have to follow Frieza's rule, so they rebelled and fought against him, led by their king who is the father of DBZ's protagonist.

In the end, they were powerless to defeat Frieza and all were annihilated, except for the 2 sons of 2 of the Saiyan Warriors.

In the end, those 2 sons did eventually defeat Frieza, so using this example, Iran WILL one day get her revenge on Satanyahu and Trump for murdering Khamenei.

What about Broly wasn't he the third Saiyan.... Lol other than GOKU and VEGETA

 

[r3alist]

How long can Iran continue ?
With indutries closed, civil and military infrastructure destroyed, fuel storage sites destroyed, water desalination plants hit , the nation can't survive for long.
Or you want to propagate that Iranian lives don't matter and government must keep on fighting for its own survival?

The Iranians have a deep history of power and empire.


They have rebuilt many many times in history

I am not giving a value judgement I am just saying this is the thinking, a good portion of the people in Iranian society instinctively understand that the weight and depth of their history will mean war and sacrifice

 

[VCheng]

When you are asked to negotiate and when the Americans want to appoint your leader - what chances they want to negotiate with ridiculous stuff on agenda?

Clearly, it must be up to the Iranians to select their leaders.

What happens at the negotiating table will depend on who has the stronger hand. Who has the stronger hand will be determined by the outcome of the current round of hostilities.

It is too early to tell who that side will be, since both sides are carrying on to the best of thier respective abilities, and they are formidable on both sides.

 

[r3alist]

Iran can continue until it realizes that negotiations are the only way out. (The same holds true for the opposing side as well.)

After all, all wars end at the negotiating table, sooner or later.

What are the Americans or israelis willing to negotiate on, that Iranians can accept?

In fact, the framing of your statement suggests the Americans and israelis have a valid negotiation to begin with? I don't know why don't you elaborate on this

 

[lightning f57]

Let's hope this is true. I want to see Tel Aviv up in flames for all the shit they have done today on Tehran.

It does not make sense to me to let everyone know what you will do in a milirary conflict.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

how long will China watch one of its principal sources of cheap oil so crucial for the double digit growth and industrial effort get confiscated for at least a generation by its main competitor, is today's billion-dollar geopolitical question. If there isn't *one* strategic analyst within their *entire* state apparatus able to tell the higher echelons to effing move from their pathetic spectating posture and act like a nation truly contemplating a global superpower role, then they deserve to remain a sub-par regional actor for the remainder of the century. Part of a nation becoming a superpower is to boast a number of true visionary architects of foreign policy.

The US had Brzezinski, Kissinger, the USSR had Gromyko. China, by its current lack of political courage and initiative, and assuming that catastrophe of a non-stance remains their posture for the whole duration of the war and god forbid Iran breaks as a country, shall end up watching the consequences that will reverberate and will be taught as their single biggest strategic blunder of the century in every of their foreign policy papers, academies and circles published for 50 years to come. Akin to the 2003 Invasion of Irak by Bush Jr. I honestly don't feel i'm overstating this.

And "the need to balance cordial relations with the GCC" does not stand the test of the current existential conflict for Iran. Prioritizing them is one thing, dropping Iran so casually as some sort of toxic asset is completely another.

The GCC are and will remain core US satellites at the end of the day, even if the KSA has timidly ventured a bit further away relative to the other micro-states, but will listen to America whenever they throw a tantrum at a given geopolitical juncture. There will always be a hard limit to what they can do with them, same with Turkey on NATO's side. IF they can't see it, they aren't even worthy to be considered serious players at scale, period.

PS : thanks for the warm welcome @Persian Gulf and @shapurzolaktaf , + all others who reacted positively. We're all in this together even from outside. I truly appreciate.

what is there for China to do?? Iran is fighting remarkably well right now. So far none of US strategic goals have been achieved

this war is poised to become another big L for Trump 2.0. way bigger than Doge and tariffs I'd say

 

[Hayabusa]

Nice. Need more of such attacks on Tel Aviv.

 

[RescueRanger]

any residents from Tehran here ?

can you update us on the situation with the oil rain? how bad is it ?

 

[codeforfood]

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What negotiations? The americans/israelis will NEVER stop until Iran is completely destroyed and subdued. There is NO other option.

The option is to create that leverage so you can take something to bargain with on the negotiating table.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

skys over Tehran this morning

the smell of oil in the air and rain mixed with oil has destroyed the city

it will take years to clean this up

biggest environmental disaster ever in human history

choking all the residents in Tehran

the amount of crimes Americans have carried out against mankind will be repaid on the Day of Judgement

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The orange buffoon is a disaster for humanity ... foisted by a minority get clown with a tiny ego to do their bidding.
The only light at the end of the tunnel is ending the demons possession, zion! Before this becomes a forever menace... as much as it already is or has been... tens of millions died to put the tiny putrid entity in the region run by the most despicable.

 

[VCheng]

What are the Americans or israelis willing to negotiate on, that Iranians can accept?

In fact, the framing of your statement suggests the Americans and israelis have a valid negotiation to begin with? I don't know why don't you elaborate on this

What each side would be willing to negotiate on will depend on who, if anyone, is able to gain the upper hand to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. That is all war does - to give one's side a stronger position at the table.

Whether that strength is with Iran or USA remains to be seen, and hence too early to talk about what each side may or may not be willing to accept.

 

[r3alist]

how long will China watch one of its principal sources of cheap oil so crucial for the double digit growth and industrial effort get confiscated for at least a generation by its main competitor, is today's billion-dollar geopolitical question. If there isn't *one* strategic analyst within their *entire* state apparatus able to tell the higher echelons to effing move from their pathetic spectating posture and act like a nation truly contemplating a global superpower role, then they deserve to remain a sub-par regional actor for the remainder of the century. Part of a nation becoming a superpower is to boast a number of true visionary architects of foreign policy.

The US had Brzezinski, Kissinger, the USSR had Gromyko. China, by its current lack of political courage and initiative, and assuming that catastrophe of a non-stance remains their posture for the whole duration of the war and god forbid Iran breaks as a country, shall end up watching the consequences that will reverberate and will be taught as their single biggest strategic blunder of the century in every of their foreign policy papers, academies and circles published for 50 years to come. Akin to the 2003 Invasion of Irak by Bush Jr. I honestly don't feel i'm overstating this.

And "the need to balance cordial relations with the GCC" does not stand the test of the current existential conflict for Iran. Prioritizing them is one thing, dropping Iran so casually as some sort of toxic asset is completely another.

The GCC are and will remain core US satellites at the end of the day, even if the KSA has timidly ventured a bit further away relative to the other micro-states, but will listen to America whenever they throw a tantrum at a given geopolitical juncture. There will always be a hard limit to what they can do with them, same with Turkey on NATO's side. IF they can't see it, they aren't even worthy to be considered serious players at scale, period.

PS : thanks for the warm welcome @Persian Gulf and @shapurzolaktaf , + all others who reacted positively. We're all in this together even from outside. I truly appreciate.

If Iran wanted Chinese help the time to do it was years ago

The Chinese have no reason to jump in as a savior for Iran at this stage, there is no ethnic or cultural or strategic aim that would justify right now

Ever since world war 2 I don't know why people don't understand this. Look at all the wars since 9/11 I am sure each stage people said why don't the Russians jump in


Then recently with Syria everyone said why did the Russians leave?

The point is you can only do so much without compromising your own integrity and strength


Let us also say this, with nation states even when you help someone you are mindful to the extent that one day they can become more powerful and influential than you might be comfortable with

That is not anti Iranian that is just the calculus of real politik, and selfish nation state's.

 

[hussain0216]

Iran can continue until it realizes that negotiations are the only way out. (The same holds true for the opposing side as well.)

After all, all wars end at the negotiating table, sooner or later.

The USA and Zionists are entirely untrustworthy

They have used negotiations to kill and murder and strike at leaders and opponents

What's the point of negotiations with such a state and people?

 

[Hayabusa]

Nice. Need more of such attacks on Tel Aviv.

Following up on this.