Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Immortals said:
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Basically, Trump needed NATO countries vessels in the Strait of Hormuz, which means the NATO manpower as cannon fodders. NATO countries' leaders are answerable to their own constituents and body bags arriving in London or Berlin or Paris would be a big problem for the leaders especially after Trump had been insulting the Europeans for a year.
 
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Maybe a good strategy for anti war Maga politcians is to shift the blame from trumpy to Israel and the american zionist lobby who tricked and lied to him. If you can create a narrative that trumpy was played and its not his fault the idiot might actually stop and throw some zionists under the bus.
 
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Starlord said:
Peace time makes weak man, war time create hard men, so its only obvious that Iran will emerge even if they try to apply the Iraq or Syria on them, it will be matter of time when Iran will reunite and once again take over, the problem is that the Persians civilization is much older than Americans and Israeli's even if we start with Isaac, they are proud people while they are fighting a enemy that has no honor and dignity, America/Israel are kind of countries who will kill the messenger if they exists in Ancient times.
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As I said previously, regime change is never the agenda of US/ Iran attack. It is just PR.

Israel like hard line Iranian regime, the killing here and there make Iran regime get even harder. More hardline leaders come up and take the lead

Regime change never their agenda
 
Blain2 said:
They have NO choice and this is not about egos. It is a war of survival for Iran and its government.

This situation is akin to Pakistan surrendering to India.

You can live to fight another day and that certainly will happen for Iran too but I am not sure if there is a middle ground. The middle ground is they surrender and give in to all of the diktats from Israel and the US without an off-ramp.
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Surrendering is a maximalist rhetoric , there's always middle ground.... Iran's recent blunder is to shun Saudi Arabia , Turkey and Pakistan from negotiations and insisting on bilateral......I believe outcome would have been different if these countries were part of the negotiations.
 
Qaraca said:
When did any jets ever come from "Azeri side"? Even Iran has no claimed such a thing.

Is this supposed to be some cope about how US and Israeli jets don’t have air superiority over Iran?

We are in day 18th and you guys still post this?
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I think he meant the Iranian Azerbaijan (the west), not Baku Azerbaijan
 
USA counter terrorism chief designs in protest to the iran war.
 

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Enough to watch just 10 minutes starting this point to know there is an 'escalation' and 'de-escalation' camp in the White House. The panel in this video are pretty informed people and worth watching the whole video; I watched most of it yesterday.
To be noted, the 'escalation' camp is the Jewish / Israel-firsters ones, as almost always.

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