Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[j_hungary]

@j_hungary Does this mean there is no plan to reopen the strait now? As Sec is saying our objectives were destroying missile production, navy, air force etc of Iran. Is it looking apparent that the rest of the world will now have to cut deals with Iran and allow transit through the strait, as I don’t see any one really taking on military action. Then what is the point of so called boots on ground - Kharg island just as a bargaining chip? Thats unrealistic. The to me it the only viable objective can be some limited SOF raids to pick a few barrels from some mountains (which Iran had apparently agreed to dilute down any way with Kushner and Witkoff but apparently they just didn’t understand).

That means they are washing their hand over it. Logical thinking is that the Trump admin will say everything on that list of objectives they want to do is done, and unilaterally get out of the war by claiming victory.

 

[ShapurII]

Yep, the Iran US war cleared up a lot of things about Americans capability against China. If Iran is giving them so much hard time for over a month without any functional AF and Navy, Americans will take a massive beating against China.

Iran is also facing another problem that China won't face: regional treasonous actors and Israel.

Nobody would dare to allow the US to launch a war against China from their territory in China's neighborhood. China will absolutely dominate them and punish them in a historic way.

 

[Abdul q]

Iran is also facing another problem that China won't face: regional treasonous actors and Israel.

Nobody would dare to allow the US to launch a war against China from their territory in China's neighborhood. China will absolutely dominate them and punish them in a historic way.

China ‘will’ do this, do that … I hope that never comes though I won’t be surprised if they disappoint us. They clearly couldn’t take their little island literally held hostage by a country hundreds or thousands of miles away
Off topic* apologies

 

[black_cats]

“Our blood and souls are a sacrifice for you, Gaza.”

- From the Ongoing angry protests in Syria’s Daraa city over the law allowing the execution of Palestinian captives in Israeli prisons.

 

[tower9]

Iran is also facing another problem that China won't face: regional treasonous actors and Israel.

Nobody would dare to allow the US to launch a war against China from their territory in China's neighborhood. China will absolutely dominate them and punish them in a historic way.

You never heard of Japan?

 

[black_cats]

Italian Prime Minister Meloni:

"I accuse Israel of crossing the red line, I condemn the massacre of Palestinian civilians, and I announce that Italy will support European sanctions against Israel."

 

[j_hungary]

@j_hungary You must have gamed this scenario where we are seeing trumpy trapped in his own escalation trap.

How do you see this playing out?

There seems to be two options his got

1) back off and give up the SOH, then be seen to have lost geo-strategically, Iran will control the straits and will enact a toll on all countries that supported the war.

2) try and take control of SOH and the nuclear material by sending in ground troops and getting bogged down for a long time. We have see recent examples of Israel relentlessly bombing Hamas but not being able to free israels that Hamas took and Hezbollah continues to be able to fight despite overwhelming military advantage with Israel.

They won't give up the SoH, that's a strategic choke point, so, number 1 is out of the question.

In most war games and possible scenarios, most actions are passive. You would establish an exclusion zone and funnel the ship down the strait with an escort while positioning assets on the opposite coast to try and suppress an Iranian strike.

They were doing the second part, but they weren't doing the first part.

As for nuclear, you aren't going to get anything outside a partial invasion. Couple with pin point strike.

 

[black_cats]

BREAKING:

Netanyahu says the oil from the Gulf states will pass trough Israel in the future

After the Iranian war, the [Strait of] Hormuz needs to be bypassed using pipelines from Saudi Arabia to the Mediterranean," - Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister.

Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu proposes a radical idea of pipelines stretching from the Gulf to Israel, carrying crude. In this way it bypasses the Strait of Hormuz and the Bab al-Mandab Strait.

The proposal would give Tel Aviv massive leverage power over the GCC and can hold the entire Arab Gulf hostage in the future.

 

[Bengal71]

Iran is also facing another problem that China won't face: regional treasonous actors and Israel.

Nobody would dare to allow the US to launch a war against China from their territory in China's neighborhood. China will absolutely dominate them and punish them in a historic way.

You can't be sure about the Japanese, South Koreans and the Philippines. China needs to assume these countries will join the fight or at least the US will use their territories. Also, some US allies may join.

 

[black_cats]

BREAKING

The State of Qatar has filed an official request to reclaim the private aircraft gifted to Donald Trump.

 

[Falcon29]

It could also be discussion about boots on the ground or any number of things. Who knows?

I've been discussing this with Marine brothers for a few days. Everyone is watching.

Seems very unlikely. What would we need boots on the ground for ?

Whatever it is will be leaked by Israeli media tomorrow night. After all he is taking instructions from Netanyahu

 

[black_cats]

BREAKING: Iranian missiles strike Batelco headquarters in Hamala, Bahrain, the country's largest telecommunications company and host to Amazon Web Services infrastructure.

Yesterday Iran announced it would begin targeting US companies. This appears to be the first strike carried out under that threat.

 

[Kyussis]

In the middle of the 12 day war, Iran fired a single missile (Sedjil-2) in a 48 hour period before going back to firing larger salvos. Its way too early to become defeated just cause their is a drop in volume.

 

[2ndstrike]

If the day arrives where there is zero interceptors, and they were under a serious threat of destruction then Iran will surely suffer the fate of Tehran being nuked. Missile stocks will dwindle on both sides, with every additional US/Israeli attack they are most likely taking out far more than can be reproduced in the short term.

Even if Tel Aviv had 500 missiles hit it, most of the city will still remain, and given the amount of missiles Iran has fired this week that seems unlikely. Which just shows how pointless and most likely a stalemate will occur and all that death and suffering just to be back in the same position they started in, just both weakened and new enemies made.

We are getting to the point now that lots of poorer countries are starting to suffer, fuel rationing, planned blackouts etc which is only the start of a bad situation. Us people in wealthier countries will be fine, I might have to pay an extra £50 to fill up every 3 weeks and food etc might jump up a few percent but any middle income nation can handle that, so as usual it's the poorest that suffer.

In a non-nuclear conventional exchange of ordinances, I think Iran having those number is a very good deterrence. I don't believe Tel Aviv has been impacted by 100 500 kg-1 ton warhead throughout this war yet. My impression with Iran is that the ballistics missiles are being launched primarily from the missile bases; hence the restriction on when and how many can be launched throughout this war due to the concentration of the known locations of the launch being monitored constantly by her enemies. Iran doesn't seem to build a lot of those independent one-time use ground silos like how the American and Russian have with the ground silos for their ICBM. Having hundreds or even thousands of those ground silos dispersed throughout the country would have enable Iran to fire more missiles in a single wave then what we are seeing now. I remember reading about the Iraqi Scud launch during the gulf war; they even camouflaged the missiles and launched them from commercial or even residential buildings. As for the oil crisis, fortunately in Viet Nam we are doing fine due to us having domestic oil deposit reserves for another 30 years not to mention our oil deposit reserves in Siberia through joint venture with the Russian, and our domestic refineries capacity is enough to meet our domestic demands. Another good thing is that we have started to dump the gasoline vehicles and move toward EV.

 

[black_cats]

Donald Trump : “NATO is zero without America”

Italian PM Meloni : “Cool… so should we shut down your bases, cut trade, or just storm McDonald’s? ”

[Satire]