Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[rafale]

bvr or wvr would not matter if they were painted by SAM, yes i agree that unlike what's being claimed they DO NOT have unrestricted control of the air space, they are vulnerable

So much for the overhyped US and Israeli intelligence capability............these F***ers still don't know how much fight Iranians have in them.........would love to see trump do a land invasion and get slaughtered in Iran.

I mean, freaking one month on and Iran is still launching missiles and drones at will and still able to damage or down your drones/F-15/F-35s.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So much for the overhyped US and Israeli intelligence capability............these F***ers still don't know how much fight Iranians have in them.........would love to see trump do a land invasion and get slaughtered in Iran.

I mean, freaking one month on and Iran is still launching missiles and drones at will and still able to damage or down your drones/F-15/F-35s.

For comparison

Soviet death toll in Afghanistan ≈ 10,000 and Russia death toll in Ukraine ≈ 300,000 (because of the modern lethal drones)

The US death toll in Vietnam ≈ 50,000 and the US death toll in Iran ≈ ??? (because of the modern lethal drones)

 

[ShapurII]

everyone saying its F15 Strike Eagle

but 493rd Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheat flies F35 not F15?

so this is most likely a F35 did iRan use IRST again ?

There's just too much misinformation on the internet.

Some people say there are different incidents and Iran has hit both an F-15 and an F-35. Nothing is confirmed though.

I agree with you that it's an F-35 as that was Iran's initial official statement as well. And it seems to fit one of the photos that was posted here.

 

[Zoyou]

 

[ParthianLord]

the french ship paid 2 million to Iran to pass and there was somekind of "Huge french outreach towards Iran"

Iran is destroying western alliances

 

[Master Chief]

US has lost a lot for example Iran proved Aircarft carriers are obsolete in 21st warfare and just a big target. Americas 10-20 carriers are now obsolete. how much is that worth?

Aircraft carriers staying out of range of enemy missiles but still able to fully deploy their main offensive weapon (I.e. jets) are not "obsolete". Rather, they are fully continuing their function as a mobile, power projectional, runway.

I agree that they can't get too close now, but quite the opposite of obsolete mate!

With India, where comparisons will be drawn by us, the context is different. Their AC is obsolete because their ground bases could deploy comparable assets as easily as the Vikrant - they don't need long range force projection in areas where they don't have ground airbase coverage. India has wasted its money on an asset that hides further away than their normal airbases.

 

[Asif]

#BREAKING
French President Emmanuel Macron:

The Strait of Hormuz should only be opened in coordination with Iran.

Dear Trump..
plz insult this chump a bit more so that he aligns with Iran more. These Israel and US poodle would otherwise have never open there eyes. The masters have no compromise, 100% compliance or you are just worthless.

 

[ShapurII]

Aircraft carriers staying out of range of enemy missiles but still able to fully deploy their main offensive weapon (I.e. jets) are not "obsolete". Rather, they are fully continuing their function as a mobile, power projectional, runway.

I agree that they can't get too close now, but quite the opposite of obsolete mate!

With India, where comparisons will be drawn by us, the context is different. Their AC is obsolete because their ground bases could deploy comparable assets as easily as the Vikrant - they don't need long range force projection in areas where they don't have ground airbase coverage. India has wasted its money on an asset that hides further away than their normal airbases.

It is obsolete if you are dealing with a power that its A2/AD capability extends beyond Iran's 700km range. Iran's A2/AD capability seems to be restricted to 700km-1000km range, which is why the US aircraft carriers do not come closer. China can easily extend that range to 2,500km-3,000 km.

At that point, it is safe to say that an aircraft carrier becomes obsolete.

 

[Aggregate]

Iran remains adamant they have shot down the US Jet yesterday, publishing pics of Ejection Seat, Parts of Jet, videos of ongoing Searches for the US pilot and now, an official announcement by IRGC Spokesperson an hour ago, that they have shot down and F35 from LAKEN-HEATH squadron.

 

[kobra]

everyone saying its F15 Strike Eagle

but 493rd Fighter Squadron at RAF Lakenheat flies F35 not F15?

so this is most likely a F35 did iRan use IRST again ?

You are right but Mention of 493rd FS at RL is not found on debris but at reference picture.

 

[tsunset]

 

[Viet]

They can feel lucky. Just be fired. In Russia they would be thrown out of window. America is now on the same level with Russia:
war is the continuation of diplomacy.

 

[Yasser76]

As the war drags on, it will continue to hurt more and more.

I hope so, if my company has to pay more, if i do not get a pay rise this year, if we cancel our annual big family holiday. So be it, would have been all worth it to see Iran give them a bloody nose and remind us all of what a Muslim nation is capable of.

As far as I am concerned Iran stands as an equal to Pakistan now.

 

[RocketLaw]

Trump: We need $2 billion a day to reopen the Strait of Hormuz

China's FM Senator: But the Strait of Hormuz was already open before the war? The root cause of this disruption is your illegal military operations against Iran.

You have created a Global Crisis OUT OF NOTHING

 

[vizier]

This also shows importance of having fighter jets with long range BVR weapons. Both US and Israel are using stand off weapons which shows they dont completely control the skys, a fighter jet with those long claws would give them more losses and prevent allot of the civilian infrastructure destruction we have seen.

Iran strategised a war without an airforce or navy, knowing the economic and civilian cost which tells us they can continue fighting like this for a long while.

Fighter jets wont be delivered anyways as we see in Iranian order of Su 35s or would be delivered slowly which wont be sufficient in conflict time. Indegenous 4th gen. fighter program would take years to mature even Iran was not under sanctions yet a 5th generation aircraft is a whole different ball game. Airbases will be destroyed in the initial days of the war by albms.

For longer ranges I agree there should be something as well. EO/IR sam system is a must but it only covers a small perimeter. What could have been done is Iran could produce more numbers of Karrar(or bqm 177 like high altitude jet drones) with basic wvr(or lower end of bvr with ir missiles) a2a functionality and irst sensor on its nose. Launched by rato and recovered by parachute they dont require vulnurable airbases. Also when one of them is hit I think nose section that contoins the expensive irst-brain can separate and still be recovered by parachute. It is a much smaller vehicle than an airplane that can in theory intercept aircraft. Comm jamming would be an issue though for unmanned sytems.