Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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As I predicted earlier and as is now the case with US reporting. initial reports down played how bad this was for US. Now 2 C-130s, 4 helis and 2 Reapers. Why did they need to blow up 4 Little Birds? Possibly lack of fuel to make it back, as maybe one of the C-130s was a refueller, but the "stuck in mud" theory is becoming less and less believable

1 saved airman.

Both sides can comfortably claim success, although I am betting more bad news will slowly come out from the US side. I think the airmen has passed away.
 
Misleading train of thoughts. Opening the SoH and destroying the energy infrastructure of GCC is the current approach of IRGC - and it does make sense.

Freedom of navigation (FoN) is the only logical and credible argument the US has against Iran on a global stage right now.

It is not a coincidence that Iran is gradually opening the strait while destroying more and more production and storage facilities on the other side of the shore.

If production of the GCC is destroyed or curtailed

Then the Hormuz being open or closed doesn't do diddly squat, it's all the same

The GCC needs to be taught a lesson, their support for the petro dollar, support for U S bases and presence and inability to use that to curtail U.S support for the Zionists has caused chaos in the region

And by the end of this conflict, the GCC needs to remove all U.S bases, radars and support systems or face continued attack
 
It is expecting that there should NOT loss any expensive aircrafts (big ones), yet we see many pictures release recently.

Don't focus on 1 PILOT only, see full pictures
Sir, respectfully, the correct context in which to frame the outcome is that determined by the stated objectives of the protagonists.

USA, since as far back as I can remember, states clearly that nobody will be left behind in their wars, regardless of material cost.

USA is 100% successful in this context.

I agree that he may be severely injured, but they got him out and stuck to their promise.

The material cost was substantial, but it won't alter the tactics of the USA in future scenarios because mostly small arms hits and a boggy runway are factored into their calculus already. They avoided the threshold of loss that would cause alteration in their future approach. I.e. they will violate Iranian territory at will and on their terms in a similar scenario next time.

Iran's main stated aim was to capture the pilot, which failed.

Secondarily, (and I think this should have been their MAIN aim, and perhaps it even secretly was despite their statements), they sought to inflict casualties upon rescue assets (both human and material). Here, they partially succeeded, but not enough (see above paragraph).
 
If Iran concentrates all its missiles and Drones etc. on one US War Ship or Carrier or Base and cause considerable human and material loss it, that will cause US Morale to plummet drastically. After that they will seriously consider not attacking Iran on the ground.
 
No, this is not correct.

Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.



Türkiye hasn't signed it either, yet, customary international law does exist and it is binding.

There is no reason to halt civil maritime traffic while the IRGC continues to damage the energy infrastructure of the GCC. Given that Israel has chosen to attack Iran's essential infrastructure to create a failed state anyways, Tehran has no longer any motivation to officially close the strait and be the official boogeyman in this conflict.

Generating a global energy price shock is Iran's main objective. Why accept the international blame without anything in return if you must strike Arab oil facilities anyway due to the assault on your critical infrastructure by Israel and the US?

Please dispense with the nonsense.
The US war against Iran was vehemently against international law, yet that didnt stop them from doing it. There was no UNSC vote. Hell, it was even against US constitutional law.
The UN "system" (if it ever truly existed) did nothing to halt US illegal actions.

International law is not really a thing. Its now law of the jungle, and Iran is simply playing their game.
 
call it whatever you want. The us has its objectives and iran failing to stop them no matter what the us deems acceptable losing in the process is a us victory. Just like no matter how much iran loses its leaders they can still do their operational objectives without them
Yes. And the reason Iran could pull it offf it's because of their mosaic leadership. They have prepared this for decades.

However, this is where the difference lies. US has not exactly prepare for this war, and have only planned. Their stockpile, take years to manufacture, and with China having a stronghold on the rare metals market, it just adds to the difficulty.

Of course, they can eventually ramp up production for all these weapons, and find a way through all this issue but at what cost? The US economy? Or with a 5USD per Litre for RON 95?

The US is never going to win this war. They had the their chance in the first 2 weeks to do a regime change, and failed. The difficult phase in the war is over for Iran, and they can transition to an attritional warfare. US can change all the goalpost they want, but I don't see US winning, even if they launch a ground invasion to overthrow the Iranian government.
 
Trump is high on winning!!!

They lost 2 Jets, 2 Transports and 4 helicopters in only 2 days, to rescue a downed pilot ..
CNN is publishing videos of wreckages on their front pages and NYT is asking what was the point of all of these losses .. while strait is still closed and there is mayhem all the way form israel to UAE .. where is the winning ? :ROFLMAO:

Unless you are being sarcastic .. in which case, apologies
 
Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.
Again, there is no "freedom of navigation" as is present on the high seas in such territorial waters.

There is actually a term for the legal characteristics of navigation in such areas - INNOCENT PASSAGE.

Innocent passage requires transit to not be prejudicial to the security or peace of Iran. Iran gets to decide what does or does not satisfy those conditions.

Turkiye applies the same jurisdiction over The Bosphorus...or at least, it jolly well should.
 
They lost 2 Jets, 2 Transports and 3 helicopters in 2 days, to rescue a downed pilot .. while strait is still closed and there is mayhem all the way form israel to UAE .. where is the winning ? :ROFLMAO:

Unless you are being sarcastic .. in which case, apologies
Ofcourse I was hahaha .
 
Please dispense with the nonsense.
The US war against Iran was vehemently against international law, yet that didnt stop them from doing it. There was no UNSC vote. Hell, it was even against US constitutional law.
The UN "system" (if it ever truly existed) did nothing to halt US illegal actions.
International law is not really a thing. Its now law of the jungle, and Iran is simply playing their game.

Right. It is now Law of the Jungle!
As to what Iran gets by controlling the Strait: If Strait was not that important then why there would be daily talk of Strait. Iran has more to worry about then to think what the 'global community' maybe thinking about them over the Strait. BTW, most of the world knows who is the aggressor here and many also know who is behind the aggressor (Israel).
 
No, this is not correct.

Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.
A country's territorial waters fall under its jurisdiction. If you claim otherwise, prove it.

Türkiye hasn't signed it either, yet, customary international law does exist and it is binding.
Binding and enforceable are different things. There is no court to open a case against Iran for not abiding by some CIL rule that is even debatable at best.

There is no reason to halt civil maritime traffic while the IRGC continues to damage the energy infrastructure of the GCC. Given that Israel has chosen to attack Iran's essential infrastructure to create a failed state anyways, Tehran has no longer any motivation to officially close the strait and be the official boogeyman in this conflict.
Iran has many incentives to keep oil prices high and prevent vital goods from passing through our territorial waters.

Generating a global energy price shock is Iran's main objective. Why accept the international blame without anything in return if you must strike Arab oil facilities anyway due to the assault on your critical infrastructure by Israel and the US?
Not only energy price shock. There are many other types of goods that pass through the Strait of Hormuz including fertilizers and other stuff.
 

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