Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[R2D2]

If Iran concentrates all its missiles and Drones etc. on one US War Ship or Carrier or Base and cause considerable human and material loss it, that will cause US Morale to plummet drastically. After that they will seriously consider not attacking Iran on the ground.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

No, this is not correct.

Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.



Türkiye hasn't signed it either, yet, customary international law does exist and it is binding.

There is no reason to halt civil maritime traffic while the IRGC continues to damage the energy infrastructure of the GCC. Given that Israel has chosen to attack Iran's essential infrastructure to create a failed state anyways, Tehran has no longer any motivation to officially close the strait and be the official boogeyman in this conflict.

Generating a global energy price shock is Iran's main objective. Why accept the international blame without anything in return if you must strike Arab oil facilities anyway due to the assault on your critical infrastructure by Israel and the US?

Please dispense with the nonsense.
The US war against Iran was vehemently against international law, yet that didnt stop them from doing it. There was no UNSC vote. Hell, it was even against US constitutional law.
The UN "system" (if it ever truly existed) did nothing to halt US illegal actions.

International law is not really a thing. Its now law of the jungle, and Iran is simply playing their game.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

are you tired of winning yet?

 

[Hayabusa]

call it whatever you want. The us has its objectives and iran failing to stop them no matter what the us deems acceptable losing in the process is a us victory. Just like no matter how much iran loses its leaders they can still do their operational objectives without them

Yes. And the reason Iran could pull it offf it's because of their mosaic leadership. They have prepared this for decades.

However, this is where the difference lies. US has not exactly prepare for this war, and have only planned. Their stockpile, take years to manufacture, and with China having a stronghold on the rare metals market, it just adds to the difficulty.

Of course, they can eventually ramp up production for all these weapons, and find a way through all this issue but at what cost? The US economy? Or with a 5USD per Litre for RON 95?

The US is never going to win this war. They had the their chance in the first 2 weeks to do a regime change, and failed. The difficult phase in the war is over for Iran, and they can transition to an attritional warfare. US can change all the goalpost they want, but I don't see US winning, even if they launch a ground invasion to overthrow the Iranian government.

 

[Ibbi32]

With wso out the war got boring again

 

[Aggregate]

Trump is high on winning!!!

They lost 2 Jets, 2 Transports and 4 helicopters in only 2 days, to rescue a downed pilot ..
CNN is publishing videos of wreckages on their front pages and NYT is asking what was the point of all of these losses .. while strait is still closed and there is mayhem all the way form israel to UAE .. where is the winning ?

Unless you are being sarcastic .. in which case, apologies

 

[Master Chief]

Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.

Again, there is no "freedom of navigation" as is present on the high seas in such territorial waters.

There is actually a term for the legal characteristics of navigation in such areas - INNOCENT PASSAGE.

Innocent passage requires transit to not be prejudicial to the security or peace of Iran. Iran gets to decide what does or does not satisfy those conditions.

Turkiye applies the same jurisdiction over The Bosphorus...or at least, it jolly well should.

 

[kobra]

They lost 2 Jets, 2 Transports and 3 helicopters in 2 days, to rescue a downed pilot .. while strait is still closed and there is mayhem all the way form israel to UAE .. where is the winning ?

Unless you are being sarcastic .. in which case, apologies

Ofcourse I was hahaha .

 

[Meengla]

Please dispense with the nonsense.
The US war against Iran was vehemently against international law, yet that didnt stop them from doing it. There was no UNSC vote. Hell, it was even against US constitutional law.
The UN "system" (if it ever truly existed) did nothing to halt US illegal actions.
International law is not really a thing. Its now law of the jungle, and Iran is simply playing their game.

Right. It is now Law of the Jungle!
As to what Iran gets by controlling the Strait: If Strait was not that important then why there would be daily talk of Strait. Iran has more to worry about then to think what the 'global community' maybe thinking about them over the Strait. BTW, most of the world knows who is the aggressor here and many also know who is behind the aggressor (Israel).

 

[ShapurII]

No, this is not correct.

Even though Iran’s territorial waters cover a large part of the Strait of Hormuz, international law specifically prevents it from exercising full control over navigation in that strait.

Same applies for all international straits. From Suez to Bosporus to Malakka - the transit of passage can't be obstructed by nearby coastal countries.

A country's territorial waters fall under its jurisdiction. If you claim otherwise, prove it.

Türkiye hasn't signed it either, yet, customary international law does exist and it is binding.

Binding and enforceable are different things. There is no court to open a case against Iran for not abiding by some CIL rule that is even debatable at best.

There is no reason to halt civil maritime traffic while the IRGC continues to damage the energy infrastructure of the GCC. Given that Israel has chosen to attack Iran's essential infrastructure to create a failed state anyways, Tehran has no longer any motivation to officially close the strait and be the official boogeyman in this conflict.

Iran has many incentives to keep oil prices high and prevent vital goods from passing through our territorial waters.

Generating a global energy price shock is Iran's main objective. Why accept the international blame without anything in return if you must strike Arab oil facilities anyway due to the assault on your critical infrastructure by Israel and the US?

Not only energy price shock. There are many other types of goods that pass through the Strait of Hormuz including fertilizers and other stuff.

 

[R2D2]

Iran should sink Dhows fitted with remote missiles on the path of the War Ships and release the missiles when they pass over them.

 

[Abdul q]

 

[Ali_Baba]

**** Iranians, faking bots..fak u alll...How come u missed that baddie...cuteeee

that could have been best prize ever for Iranians. white folks in USA would've burnt to death.

Oh mannnnnn

A female pilot - oh damn, Hollywood are going to make a 100 films on this rescue - just watch..

 

[Master Chief]

This level of anger demonstrates rather clearly that the Strait is the real chokehold that Iran needs to maintain. They'll get away with the downed crewman debacle and hopefully quickly learn lessons for the next time. The focus should quickly shift back to the main plan, which has been proceeding unabated. Keep going Iran. Make the suited pedo have a brain haemorrhage.

 

[Olympus81]

Trump and his sorority boys group are losing their minds.

Keep up the good work Iranians. We’re all rooting for you against the terrorists.