Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Here is Asma Shirazi talking about the proposed Peace Plan. I am starting to watch this. Per her, Trump is supposed to have another presser today.
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[Blain2]

I don't think just a 'ceasefire' is the major objective. It is a comprehensive Peace Plan. Both sides are far apart but at least they are willing to talk. Iran has learned what it means to 'negotiate' with the likes of Chameleon Trump and won't settle for something temporary. But that the Pakistani Army Chief is directly talking with Vance--who is opposed to this war-- is significant.
Personally, I'd be happy the Americans pack up and go away and let Iran and the local militias have a go at Israel! Then we will see the so-called 'Lion of Judah' in its true form: A cowardly jackal!

You need the sides to stop shooting first and damaging each other. That opens up space for further talks. This is why the initial ceasefire is essential.

The latter will not happen given the oversized influence of the Evangelicals and Zionists on the US administration.

 

[Immortals]

Houthi’s have really done very little in this war

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[Haz]

Any ceasefire will need a guarantor. Happy if Pakistan plays this role. If Israel breaches it we will have an excuse then....

The sentiment is nice and all, but Pakistan can't guarantee shit against Israeli belligerence.

 

[sharreman10]

Houthi’s have really done very little in this war

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Lets wait and see for confirmation. I don't trust anything coming from CNN or Axios at this point.

 

[Yasser76]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

I see retardation not limited to POTUS

 

[Jugantor]

Houthi’s have really done very little in this war

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Don’t think they have much ammo.

 

[Yasser76]

The sentiment is nice and all, but Pakistan can't guarantee shit against Israeli belligerence.

I disagree. Pakistan is no roll over. Ask our neighbours.

 

[sharreman10]

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Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Blain2]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

Nonsense!

Iranians go into everything with eyes wide open.

Pakistan's track record with Iran paves the way for Iran to trust Pakistan. Not your silly "trust me I know better" nonsense.

Bringing Iran and the US to peace is akin to "You can lead a horse to water (or to the well), but you can't make it drink". Pakistan cannot force a solution on any side.

Iran has nobody who can broker talks with the US. The same goes for the US side. All of Gulf is a party to this conflict, EU has been seen to be duplicitous to Iran and the US side does not trust either Russia or China. That leaves few brokers in the field.

Your personal politics notwithstanding, Pakistan's key interest is to not see itself dragged into a war where it has to pick sides. That is a great motivation for the GoP to do what it is doing transparently and sincerely.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

Iran it was not your strength that protected you when you know you were weak in numbers but Allah grants success to whomever he wills.... If you are Muslims then remember your faith in Allah and entrust him .. this here is Holy Quran, don't trust Pakistan absolutely but trust the words of Holy Quran..

"If they withdraw from you, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, then God does not allow you to harm them". 4:90
"if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and put your trust in Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing". 60:8

 

[Jugantor]

Very good question. Wonder why the Chinese and Russian firms are also complying with this order to censored and help hide Israeli losses and damage. You'd think they'd happily provide that for everyone to see.

Russia and China do not want Iran to have a decisive win.

They want to restrict it to just a bit of roughing up.

Russia cannot be trusted.

And China doesn’t want a strong Muslim country.

 

[hasssanali8998]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

look whos rear is burning , usual suspects ehh

but in all seriousness, in this u can trust us
because we cant survive another failed state on our border , its in our interest that iran survives which it wont if u continue down this path

 

[Hayabusa]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

Put people's emotions and support aside, Pakistan cannot afford another Afghanistan like situation on its border. This is coming from a logical perspective and Munir and Co knows it.

I doubt there is any agenda to cross Iran here other than conspiracy theories from our nemesis to the east.

 

[Master Chief]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

What a rank and file stupid post, bordering on Indian levels of butthurt. I hope the mods actually leave this post and my reply so that the ecosystem we are all working in here is made completely clear to forum viewers.

Pakistan's position is perfectly clear. We will try to find a solution that is accepted by all parties, like any good intermediary (not to mention, a dignified neighbour who has vested interests in the survival of Tehran's government). At the same time, we respect and indeed, fully sympathise with, Iran's position in bluntly refusing ANY agreement that equates to capitulation before the snakes sitting in Washington and Tel Aviv.

This is not a position of weakness or subterfuge. This is a strong and responsible position and Pakistan has risen to that challenge consistently throughout this conflict.

Take this as an opportunity to reflect on ground realities instead of Bollywood narratives.