Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Yasser76]

Not talking about your neighbour. I'm talking about Israel. There's nothing Pakistan can do unfortunately.

Disagree. Israel would not seek open confrontation with Pakistan without US backing

 

[Hayabusa]

Lame journalism.

They will strike regardless. Iran should start preparing to rain hell on Haifa.

 

[sharreman10]

And some people here talk about ceasefire.

 

[ShapurII]

Houthi’s have really done very little in this war

PMU hasn't done much either. They damaged a Black Hawk helicopter and a radar but that's about it, I guess.

 

[Jugantor]

Disagree. Israel would not seek open confrontation with Pakistan without US backing

Yeah! But US doesn’t have a “back”.

Hence it’s a moot point.

 

[Blain2]

US doesn’t need a middle man - it is perfect capable of brokering “peace” by itself.

Iran has laid down the terms extremely clearly.

Iran cannot afford another meek “peace deal”.

Future of Muslims are at steak!!

Make my future "medium-well" please!

Every conflict needs a broker. If Pakistan can help, nothing wrong with it.

Do understand, each side comes up with its maximalist demands. Those have to be talked through and mediated. All wars end up on a negotiating table.

 

[sharreman10]

 

[Jugantor]

And some people here talk about ceasefire.

Yep!

Israel wants regime change and chaos.

Everything else is a huge loss given how much Israel has spent on this misadventure.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It never ceases to amaze me brother in how bewildered and amazed the current administration in America seems to be over their current Iran disastrous 5 week war unlikely to end soon, a 12 year old could have predicted the outcomes of attacking Iran. It was common knowledge if you attack Iran they will deploy its geographically as a weapon to pick and choose targets in GCC and close the Straits to its enemies. Geography is a destiny Pakistanis need to learn from Iranians . Yet , here we are

The reasons are very fundamentally very deep and nuanced. They are mainly seeped in white european superiority over Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim peoples.

Since 2001, the americans/nato and the zionists have been destroying arab nations with unopposed ease and ruthless efficiency. ALL these nations are Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim nations. So when trump attacked Iran, he believed they would also be defeated easily as Iran is another Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim nation. He NEVER in his worst nightmare believed that a Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim nation would be able to fight back against the white european americans and israelis. These goreh have been taken aback and don't know what to do. trump is uneducated and does not know anything about Iranian/Persian culture, heritage and civilisation that is many thousands of years old. To him and most other white europeans, ALL Brown/Olive-skinned Muslim people are the same and should be treated as such. They CANNOT tell the difference between a Pakistani, afghan, Iranian, Arab or Turk. The white europeans believe we are all the same.

 

[Jugantor]

Make my future "medium-well" please!

Every conflict needs a broker. If Pakistan can help, nothing wrong with it.

Do understand, each side comes up with its maximalist demands. Those have to be talked through and mediated. All wars end up on a negotiating table.

In what way is Iran’s position “maximalist”

It’s been severely watered down by the “reformists”.

 

[Blain2]

You are comparing Afghanistan with Iran?

Really?

Let’s not bring your troubles with Afghanistan into this.

If you want to discuss it - we can do it on a separate thread. It’s all self inflicted.

Now comes out the real angle. "Afghan champion" to rescue the Afghan cause.

You and the likes are known to most of us here. Keep up with your anti-Pakistani propaganda under the garb of your selective "ummah".

Where is your ummah (which you referred to as: "future of Muslims is at stake) when 3K Pakistanis are murdered by those Taliban bastards?

I don't see a single post of yours lamenting the loss of Pakistani Muslims but of course, there is the "ummah" when it suits your narrow purposes.

If there is ONE country in the Muslim world that has done as much as it possibly could for the Ummah with words and actions, it is Pakistan. So please don't lecture us about "ummah/future of Muslims" this or that.

Iran can walk away, just the same as the US if they don't want Pakistan brokering. They haven't. Perhaps that tells you something that you don't know.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Not talking about your neighbour. I'm talking about Israel. There's nothing Pakistan can do unfortunately.

That is correct
My guess is china
But we won’t know for sure till it comes To fruition ( assuming it does )so let’s wait and see instead of creating hypotheticals and fighting each other over those

 

[Aggregate]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

You do understand that any agreement has nothing to do with Trust on Pakistan, but rather direct trust between Iran/US ? Pakistan is passing messages between US and Iran, they are not controlling US & israel.

Many of us agree that US/israel cannot be trusted .. many of us also understand that despite Pakistan's efforts, the negotiations might not work at all ... but there is nothing involved here that justifies badmouthing Pakistan at all.

Iranian Govt and Military knows things better than you. And they are okay with Pakistan. There is no need for your 'certain' political opinion, that is pretty well known to everyone in Pakistan.

 

[Flotilla]

And some people here talk about ceasefire.

This kind of movements comes just before a ceasefire. During 12 days war, Israel launched some of most devastating attacks just hours before the agreement. If Israel rush destroying civilian infraestructure It is because they think they ceasefire is imminent.

But I agree that there is not even the basic elements for an agreement. I cannot imagine a genuine and valid guarantee over Trump and Netanyahu that could give any credibility to a hypothetical ceasefire. They will break It again. Just the nuclear weapons can warrant al process.

 

[Hayabusa]

You are comparing Afghanistan with Iran?

Really?

Let’s not bring your troubles with Afghanistan into this.

If you want to discuss it - we can do it on a separate thread. It’s all self inflicted.

I think it's relevant enough to discuss on this thread. And no. I am not comparing both directly, but a refugee crisis situation that could envelope if Iran collapses.

Any support for US is going to turn not just Iran against them, but the Shia population too. It's just logics here and Pakistan is going to plunge badly. Which is why they are now at the forefront for negotiations here. Iran also acts as a buffer for Pakistan against Israel as well and it is mutually beneficial.

Trust me, nobody enjoys Iran kicking Israelis and USA ass more than Pakistanis themselves (anectodally). Iran has made all of us proud here for holding on against these two and should continue to do so.