Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Kharral]

When it concerns Israel, I agree with you 100%, but things start to get tricky when Saudi Arabia gets involved. It's sort of like a love triangle.

Also, Pakistan wants to, and has to, maintain good relations with the US and I don't blame you for that. It's only reasonable and fair to pursue your interests.

Pakistan’s relationship with Saudi Arabia & the wider Arab world have never been at the expense of Iran at a Strategic level. There might have been some episodes at the Tactical & operational level but never at the strategic level.

Our relationship with the US & Saudi was at its peak in the 1980s under Zia. There was immense pressure on Zia to deliver on Iran but he didn’t. Sure he made some blows at the tactical level, which he had to but he never went beyond that.

That should tell you all you need to know about Pakistans policy towards Iran.

 

[ShapurII]

Actually, the longer the war goes on the worse it is for global economy. I will spar you the economics and oil data, in 2 weeks the energy fallout will be felt worldwide. That is why Trump is trying to race to leave this war.

Yes, which is why it's bad for Iran. Because after a certain amount of time, a global consensus will be formed against Iran and we may get involved in a much more serious war than now with more countries fighting against us.

Our Strait of Hormuz card should not be overplayed. We are already allowing most countries to pass through the strait anyway, and some of them for free. This shows that we cannot afford to play this card indefinitely.

Even if war ends tomm and the strait is opened immediately, it will take 30-60 days for ships to reach their destinations and weeks to months for operational capacity to come back online for PGCC countries.

Thus the question now is how bad will the shock be?

It is highly likely that there will be an economic shock and global recession in the near future. I don't disagree with it.

Relax and trust the process. The signs from Iran point to position of strength. This is a country that for years quickly went for the off ramp any chance it was given. Now for the first time they are rejecting off ramps and you are worried. Makes no sense. This is the right move.

Let’s wait and see how it shakes out.

I am actually quite satisfied that we are rejecting off-ramps. This is the kind of war that we should fight it to the end, but we are going easy on Israel for some reason and it's dangerous.

 

[Homajon]

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Indeed very important. Iran has outclassed American war propaganda.

"They've studied us"

 

[BigMela2onin]

By such logic Ukraine should be in the Stone Age and have no lights on.

It’s very hard to permanently put a country’s energy installations out of commission for a long time.

People don’t understand this and think a bomb or two or three means game over on installation facilities that are the size of small towns.

People choose to uncritically believe Katz's statements as true.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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@ShapurII

That is the type of precision that can only be achieved by cruise missiles, and not ballistic missiles. Lesson for all militaries watching this war.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Pipelines can easily be taken out. Case in point Nord Stream.

Wow..now you are really asking the world to gang up on Iran. It's one thing to block the strait..but now actively blowing up multiple countries oil pipelines is not good for PR.

 

[MH.Yang]

Turkey and Israel are not very farther than Iran either. Northeast of Iran is pretty far from Saudi territory. Father than many places in Turkey or even Israel.

Saudi Arabia, however, states that these developments are targeted at Iran's growing ballistic capabilities. Nevertheless, it is a measure that changes balance of power in the region and China seems fine with it.

Saudi Arabia is 1,800 km from Ankara, and the DF-21 has a range of 2,500 km. Thl took place when diplomatic relations between Turkey and China & Saudi Arabia were at a historic low.

For Iran, is there a big difference between 35 DF-3A and 35 DF-21?

 

[hasn2009]

Your air force is good against an incompetent regional power like India, but will be obliterated against the USAF and USN. You are a regional power at best.

You are right 100%, we have been investing on our airforce heavily for 80 years, but still it will be decimated within a day if it ever comes against the USA, it was made for India only
But don't you think Iran's airforce would've been decimated too if they had diverted their missile money towards the airforce?

 

[Forsvaret]

This is the flaw in Iran's war fighting doctrine, I am not convinced Iran has a doctrine from what I see both in the 12 day and now. Only military strategy they have had was to take out all the radars, beyond that, it all feels random.

Completely closing the Strait of Hormuz for international shipping, not agreeing to temporary ceasefires despite numerous offers by friendly states, not taking Trump’s threats seriously — they’re all a part of Iran’s greater strategy to permanently shift balance of power in the region.

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-those-who-kept-guns-from-reaching-iranian-protesters-will-pay/

Weird now he’s actually coming out and saying that weapons and terrorists were mixed in with peaceful protestors and yes Trump and Bibi were to blame for those deaths when Iranian authorities were fired upon from those crowds this was just a plain set up
@Immortals @Persian Gulf

 

[Abdul q]

Guys any update on USN trippoli, or the one the Yemen struck near Lebanon?

 

[lightning f57]

Wow..now you are really asking the world to gang up on Iran. It's one thing to block the strait..but now blowing up multiple countries oil pipelines is not good for PR.

Iran dont need to do it, Yemen can, Hezbollah can any other anti group can. In war all gos, ask your president who is doing one war crime after another.

 

[ShapurII]

You are right 100%, we have been investing on our airforce heavily for 80 years, but still it will be decimated within a day if it ever comes against the USA.
But don't you think Iran's airforce would've been decimated too if they had diverted their missile money towards the airforce?

I wouldn't say PAF would be decimated in a day. That's too exaggerated.

The situation of Iran is different. Pakistan does not face an existential threat from the USA to go against the USAF and the USN. Iran does.

If we had 500-600 jet fighters with strong IADS, the US wouldn't have been able to establish air superiority over Iran on the first day of war.

 

[SecularNationalist]

2 pigs confirmed dead in Haifa and two still oinking under the rubble. I hope they too will stop oinking. Bloody noise pollution.

Update:Ones who were oinking under the rubble are also now confirmed dead. Four less pigs to worry about.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Completely closing the Strait of Hormuz for international shipping, not agreeing to temporary ceasefires despite numerous offers by friendly states, not taking Trump’s threats seriously — they’re all a part of Iran’s greater strategy to permanently shift balance of power in the region.

I agree - the asymmetric part of Iran's strategy is working, but the conventional part ie ballistic missiles doing real damage as part of an actual strategy against Israel is not work at all.