Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aryan_B]

For some odd reason, the entire chagrin is at Pakistan very unfairly. I can guarantee, sometime down the road, Pakistan will be lamenting with others "See, we told you all".

Its not so much Pakistan but Sharif.

By holding the straits Iran is hurting American allies including Europeans who are complaining at American actions as economy suffering. The other day in UK I had to pay I think £35 extra to fill up my car. .

People in garage cursing Trump and Jews and if they doing that in UK I am sure Americans are doing same.

earlier today Trump said at press conference words to the effect if it was me I would stay there but I know that's not popular and you dont want.

Opening straights would remove the pressure on Trump

 

[Blain2]

Pakistan isn’t a one trick pony & there are multiple ways of skinning a cat.

Mr Shehbaz is doing his job. We don’t want Saudi oil fields attacked & we know it’s Israel that’s sabotaging our efforts. We have a presence in Saudi, we can increase our presence even more. We must adopt an aggressive posture towards Israel & use our assets to surveil & snoop on Israel & provide Iran with the updates in return for no attacks on Saudi oil fields.

Pakistan may end up doing some defensive operations. That is to fly inside Saudi airspace and shoot down projectiles flying towards Saudi infrastructure.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Iran should still deliver the strike package it had prepared for Israel

Assuming it is a deadline extension and not a ceasefire

There is no package for Israel. Iran have shown all their cards and didn't even did 0.01% of damage what Israel have done to Iran. Because Iranian missile at that distance are not very accurate so cannot hit strategic assets of Israel.

Israel only fear nuclear bomb.

 

[Corax]

When Indians Attacked Pakistan in that skirmish we had recently and a third country had said stand down cos we dont want Pakistanis to die what would we have said? would we have stood down?

You can't compare india with the US, or Israel for that matter. Besides, we did stand down, after just 4 days, and even then it was a limp wristed response.

 

[Immortals]

This is what the government is giving up in order to secure a temporary peace while the CIA and Mossad work to start the next round of “protests” in the country.

Next time this government won’t have the people behind it again. Once in a lifetime chance they are squandering.

 

[kobra]

 

[Bahrami]

What the hell are these talks about a ceasefire?
They have already bombed bridges and train tracks. If they really, really want something, it is exactly what Iran should not give them.

We accepted the Gaza sacrifice to open the world's eyes.
Now we have to accept the Iran sacrifice to defeat those monsters.
(Easy for me to say from afar.)

The only language the uncivilised idiots in the West understand right now is power.

 

[Aryan_B]

Iran is now acting like Iraq during the First Gulf War. Iraq had a powerful military at that time, but its overconfidence led to its downfall. After the First Gulf War, Iraq never recovered and became a shadow of its former self, even though it sits on huge oil reserves.

If everything is destroyed, Iran will take ages to recover if it ever recover, while it cannot inflict comparable damage on Israel, the US, or the Gulf countries. In contrast, those countries would recover very quickly compared to Iran.

Iran has proved its point. Now its time to cool things otherwise this rhetoric will not take Iran anywhere.

But Americans are not offering an off ramp their 15 points are tantamount to asking Iranians to surrender disarm etc

 

[Blain2]

Its not so much Pakistan but Sharif.

By holding the straits Iran is hurting American allies including Europeans who are complaining at American actions as economy suffering. The other day in UK I had to pay I think £300-£35 extra to fill up my car. .

People in garage cursing Trump and Jews and if they doing that in UK I am sure Americans are doing same.

earlier today Trump said at press conference words to the effect if it was me I would stay there but I know that's not popular and you dont want.

Opening straights would remove the pressure on Trump

Why single out Sharif? What has he done which is not aligned to Pakistani state policy to broker peace?

Everything that is being done to the rest of the world is "temporary" pain. Unfortunately for Iran, the damage to its infrastructure will be far more devastating and longer lasting.

At the end of the day Iran and the Americans will do what they must. Nobody can blame Pakistan for trying its hardest to get to a ceasefire and peace talks.

 

[Falcon29]

The reformists and Larijani pragmatics won.

Shame. IRGC could have lead the country to greatness, but the elite classes didn’t want to face hardship like the rest of Iranians did.

Mixed messages going around but imo Trump never meant to follow through on this threats and was going to extend from his end claiming a deal was closer and he's giving time for allies regardless

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Urgent | Spokesman for the Seal of the Prophets Headquarters: We will continue at an intensified pace to bombard the military and economic infrastructure of Israel and America in the region.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Pakistan may end up doing some defensive operations. That is to fly inside Saudi airspace and shoot down projectiles flying towards Saudi infrastructure.

SA doesn't need Pakistan to intercept some drones/missiles.

This is heading towards ground invasion in all out war. Thats the only thing they need from Pakistan to clear out underground tunnels.

 

[r3alist]

Its not so much Pakistan but Sharif.

By holding the straits Iran is hurting American allies including Europeans who are complaining at American actions as economy suffering. The other day in UK I had to pay I think £300-£35 extra to fill up my car. .

People in garage cursing Trump and Jews and if they doing that in UK I am sure Americans are doing same.

earlier today Trump said at press conference words to the effect if it was me I would stay there but I know that's not popular and you dont want.

Opening straights would remove the pressure on Trump

But if Iran does not get a satisfactory conclusion then they can go back to controlling it.

I don't see how the Americans will remove iran's ability to do so in a week or two, correct me if I am wrong.

In that case, you go back to where you were

 

[Ali_Baba]

Both US and Iran considering the ceasefire proposal from Pakistan

What is the difference between a 2 week ceasefire and a 45 day ceasefire ???

 

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[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/5-explosions-heard-in-area-of-baghdad-where-us-embassy-is-located/

I honestly have this feeling Iran is about to play their trump cards and it’s not even their missiles they have 100 thousand plus loyal allies if not more including many in the Iraqi military if they see an existential threat to Iran than its a threat on them just as much Iran technically already has an army on foreign lands the largest is in Iraq and we can assume hundreds of men spread out all over the Middle East they showed they are willing to send men to other countries