Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bengal71]

Personally I believe iran will be deceived and attacked very soon .......

If it the US/Trump only, the ceasefire would have held.

Israel is the main criminal who will sabotage the ceasefire.

 

[Master Chief]

Sometimes victory is not surrendering... something a Frenchman might not understand

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Personally I believe iran will be deceived and attacked very soon .......

It's a 2 week ceasefire so possible they resume attacks.

But apparently they will negotiate a complete end to the war over the 2 weeks however Israel remains the problem

 

[Meengla]

Israel is not the only one who might want to subvert the meeting. Let's be realistic here..

If you meant India then you probably know Pakistan knows how to deal with them. But I don't think India will sabotage the upcoming meeting in Islamabad on 10th April. And I really doubt even Israel would sabotage if JD Vance himself is coming to Pakistan.

 

[Bengal71]

Is it pertinent to paste news pieces from Pakistan’s good old neighbor in the East? Or would it be irrelevant to this topic?

Yes it is.

It will be very satisfying to see their behind on fire. Please share those for the amusement and satisfaction of all members of the forum.

 

[ShapurII]

Well, their Israeli cousins are not as rich as the American Anglo-Jewish elites.

Even the Israeli is not the Emperor itself, but being a kinsman of the Emperor, hence the special treatment among the US allies.

But in the end, Israel is still a pawn for the US middle east strategy, and it still cannot overweigh the US national interest.

Overall, Israel acts a troublemaker for the US rulers and needs to be more leashed.

Their Indo-Pacific pivot all got messed up because of Israel.

We all fucked up terribly, unfortunately. Iran, China, Russia. This isn't going to end here. The Western powers have already launched WWIII, but it's cold for now. It may flare up and get heated at some point in the not too-distant future.

 

[ToddE]

You can't mean that. Qatar is already calling on Iran to pay reparations, and they have a UNSC resolution to win the case at the ICJ. You think Iran won? What did we win exactly?

All Persian Gulf Arab states, one by one, will open cases at the ICJ for reparations. Qatar is just the first one to publicly announce it.

There have been reports of explosions of "unknown source" in the Siri Island and the Lavan refinery in the last 2-3 hours. What did we win exactly?

@Persian Gulf @Immortals

You sound exactly like a depressed pahlavist on Twitter. ICJ and all these fancy international watchdogs like IAEA or regimes like NPT are nothing but extended arms and stooges of the people we just gripped by the ballz. You think Russians, Chinese, USSR, Nazi Germany, DPRK, Israel, Trumps US, NATO gives shit about these "international institutions" ? They are mere Zio-Neocon mafia run control arms over weaker countries and nothing so if you sit with them on bargain table after strategically gripping their nutsack in a 40 day war that was supposed to end in 2-3 days, do understand these institutions do not matter anymore because you are talking to the head directly. They removed the sanctions on IRI during the war and have accepted the strait toll in case you have noticed. What happened to the "kill list" they prepared? lol they are signing agreements with same people's signatures that were put on the kill list now ? this is how fragile and fake international law and rule based order is ... This kind of mentality you are talking about is what got us Rohani, Zarif, Larijani types who got lost in IAEA, ICJ, UNSC, JCPOA etc instead of focusing on deterrence and strength which world actually runs on. Why are these people succumbing to demands that not even Soleimani-Khamenei's Iran succeeded in getting accepted now ?

Qatar also announced kicking out US from their soil, which IRI has been demanding for decades, they were the first one to declare neutrality during the war. They might very well want to be part of IRI toll regime over Strait like Oman. Its 100 Billion USD a year.

 

[Taimoor]

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Massive massive strategic win for Iran here.

This serves as evidence that the U.S. has no choice but to yield to Iranian requirements, underscoring their failure to win the war.

Oman played well. Stayed neutral, and got rewarded. GCC will be licking their wounds.

 

[Himalayan]

I wasn't wrong, it seems. Trump says that the Chinese convinced the Iranians to accept the ceasefire.

So, the vetoes of Russia and China weren't a coincidence as I said. It was an exchange for Iran's surrender to the US ceasefire.

If I agree with your logic, then there is a hint of a dangerous bipolar tendency in Iranian leadership, which is not a good sign.

 

[ToddE]

STRATEGIC VICTORY for IRI

Some Random thoughts ............

Alone yet undeterred against a 13 country alliance led by a hyper military power (US) and a great power (Israel) that controls most of the planet's political-economy and hence the governments.

Half a tonne HEU still inside Iran, Isfahan invasion failed/pilot coverup after which Trump foamed from his mouth

IRI is now an ambigously nuclear armed country unless likes of reformist cucks open their legs again for IAEA.

IRI still in power, more emboldened

Missile program not just sustained, got more and more extreme tested to the point that IRGCASF can be easily called the worlds most Battle-hardened and proven missile corps (against global hyper power). Might as well be the most well funded and technologically advanced too (4 types of Terminal Guidance, exo/endo atmospheric maneuvering, mono to tristaged, 4 trajectories)

Along with HEU, Missiles, IRI sustaining, chokeholds over Hormuz and Bab-el-Mandeb are massive gains of this war.

First time in its history, old mechanism petro-USD was struck directly, IRI did not fight a random shooting game which most people assume war is about, IRGC fought a strategic war which brought enemy to the table otherwise they had no problem continuing

IRGC pushed US's objective from Israeli objective of HEU, IRI collapse, IRGC collapse, Missiles to opening the strait to somehow save PGCC's petro in old mechanism petro USD. Not for a single day IRGC lost control of the escalation ladder

Military capabilities from both sides were unveiled but more from IRI, the other side's capabilities were obvious and not surprising.

Gen. Majid Mousavi of IRGCASF is to Missile and drone Warfare what Patton and Rommel were to Armoured warfare.

First time we saw a severe dent on US EW capabilities through 13 EW radars being taken out. They still have sea, air, space for regional early warning and search, tracking but its a start.

Classic A2/AD by IRIN and IRGCN, IRGCASF of Strait of Hormuz and PG, not allowing CBGs to enter the PG.

IRI was Russo - Chinese enforced offcourse which is what this war was all about

Yuan's first inflicted dent towards USD in 20% of the global market.

Oman the cunning IRI ally

Qatar might silently join IRI-Oman regimen over Strait of Hormuz Toll in future.

Hawks inside Iran are not happy because it ended (for now) short of full destruction of Power grids and Oil/Gas terminals, fields of adversaries along with US bases. Oil prices were shooting, their interceptors and costly armaments were depleting, It would have been a complete kill that would have made the enemy run away from the region but IRI's dovish admin came to table bit too early. Should have done it in 1-2 weeks.

IRGC's use of A2/AD and Conventional MAD, nuclear Ambiguity, Tit-for-Tat doctrines

Saudi oil attack was done to bring more weight to negotiation table in addition to Strait of Hormuz choke and potential threat of Red Sea closure.

There is a deep state inside Iran which we do not know of because Araghchi, Ghalibaf types are not capable of this

End of Pragmatics inside Iran, End of dove politics inside iran

Ultra and ethno Iranian and pluralist shia nationalism will rise up with some peripheral Sunni alliances of symbiotic nature

IRI will become Russia+DPRK.

Radical IRGC element has completed its coup over a large nation with most resource richest nations on planet.

IRI lost 47-53 aircrafts vs Enemy losing 78-91 aircrafts counting fighters, EW, Tankers, cargo, MALEs.

IRI's exports/earnings may very well hit close to 200 Billion USD (Worth Yuan) in 2026.

0 % impact on ~50 Missile cities.

Entire Artesh (including IRIN, IRIAF) and 20-40 Billion USD defence budget must be given to IRGC along with ISA the space agency.

US bases will slowly reduce in size and numbers in PGCC starting from Qatar.

IRGC tried its best to bait PGCC into joining offense so it may flatten their open bases but did not work. IRGC's baiting/false flagging game is amateur level compared to Israelis.

Equipment proving themselves in the war, Sejjil, K-4, Fattah-1, KS-1/2, Zohair, Shahed-136, Hadid-110, Majid AD, Missile 358/359 .... Possibly Taliyeh/Paveh LACM and ABu Mehdi AShCM.

Sejjil and K-4 are full IRBMs or probably borderline ICBM esp K-4.

IRI's utter failure of building narratives, lack of proper media compared to extreme level Israeli censorship, narrative building.

IRGC's narrative building and media posturing > Hegseth antics

8K hospitalized injuries, 15K buildings damaged, some to fair level civil, military, industrial infra structure damage inside Israel

First mass use of clustered warheads in war seen

Rule based order gone, many countries will seek strategic secret capabilities now.

PGCC oil now has a gun to its head and so does 30-40% of the world's economy.

Di to Tri Polar world in terms of strategic dominance, US dominating Americas or extreme western hemisphere, Israel Dominating EU+PGCC and with massive influence over US's posturing inside EU and MENA, Russo-Chinese-IRI (AoR)-DPRK block and then some other regional power being the new-NAM.

Winners: IRGC led IRI (and Axis of Resistance), China, Russia, Zio grip over west/PGCC .... Losers: US the global power, EU, PGCC, Iranian Clergy, Israeli Deterrence.

Sharra will do anything for money or he is a secret IRGC asset.

............. Preparing a war report. These were just random thoughts. It all may restart at any point so who gives shit.

For those who know

 

[Musings]

it's legally classified as an international strait as per article 37 of UNCLOS.

With respect how can we turn to law? We cant be selective. The Americans attacked Iran illegally and have killed children - war crimes have been committed - what would you do if you was in Irans shoes? Turn to international law??

 

[ParthianLord]

Israel in shock , calling it a " huge defeat " many already call for Netanyahus blood Lol

 

[CynicalPakistaniCritic]

It is pleasing to see fruitful efforts towards establishing peace in the Middle East with buy in from all sides, and I am happy my country led these efforts. Everyone deserves peace, especially the innocent civilians of Iran and the Gulf.

Let us pray this becomes a permanent end to the war!

 

[Bengal71]

If you meant India then you probably know Pakistan knows how to deal with them. But I don't think India will sabotage the upcoming meeting in Islamabad on 10th April. And I really doubt even Israel would sabotage if JD Vance himself is coming to Pakistan.

India is not even a sidekick in this ceasefire. They won't be able to do anything.

 

[ToddE]

Israeli TV discussions are calling it an Iranian victory that will elevate IRI.