Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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📌 Israel's all operations targeting Lebanon over the last two years cannot be read independently of the Iran file. Evaluating this as a singular event means ignoring the logic of the past two years.

📌 Israel's strategic priority ranking has been clear from the start: neutralize nearby threats first, then march toward the main target. The operation in Gaza, ongoing since October 2023 and turning into genocide, was aimed at eliminating Hamas's operational capacity on the southern border. Hezbollah in Lebanon was serving the same function on the northern border. In a scenario of major escalation against Iran, neutralizing the backstabbing capacity of these two fronts was a prerequisite. It's always gone like this.

📌 Similarly, after February 28, when Israel started striking Lebanon as well, people kept asking, "Why is Lebanon being hit at the same time as Iran?" The reason was the same again: keeping the nearby threat under pressure.

📌 First Gaza, then pager devices and ground operations in Lebanon and the Nasrallah assassination, heavily striking Yemen, then the 12-Day Conflict, followed by the February 28 attacks. Each stage has prepared the ground for the next. This isn't coincidence; it's sequencing. It shouldn't be read singularly.

📌 Now, while everyone talks about a ceasefire between Iran and the US/Israel, Israel's attack on Lebanon is a repetition of the same pattern. Pressure on Hezbollah is ramped up before every major escalation or during escalation intervals. The reason is simple: to further reduce Hezbollah's potential capacity for coordinated retaliation before moving to the next phase of settling scores with Iran.

📌 As for the ceasefire issue. As I noted in the assessment I shared this morning, these kinds of pauses give Israel time to focus on Lebanon. They provide political space for Trump to say, "I tried diplomacy." They're giving markets a breather. And most critically, Iran's military communications, mobility, and reflexes in this process have been observed. When the conflict settles into a rhythm, they've always made moves to disrupt the decision cycle. They're doing it again.

📌 The perspective that reads events singularly asks: "Why is Israel attacking Lebanon?" The holistic perspective asks: "Is Israel attacking Lebanon again before moving to the next stage against Iran? If so, how much more pressure does it need?" The two questions lead to entirely different answers.

📌 Israel launched a genocide-level operation in Gaza. In Lebanon, it systematically destroyed Hezbollah's command structure, ammunition depots, and operational depth. It carried out strikes against the Houthis in Yemen. All of these were proxy structures providing Iran with regional depth. Dismantling these structures one by one is strategically isolating Iran. Now, when Iran fires a missile, it has to respond largely on its own, without a coordinated front system to lean on.

📌 What’s happening in Lebanon today can be read as a harbinger of what will happen in the Iran file tomorrow. At the very least, there's reasonable suspicion. For now, what’s stopping is the bombs, not the process.
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Ibbi32 said:
I dont see why not. If bibi wants to come to Pakistan we are waiting for him and trump may be a delusional idiot but even he doesnt want a war between 2 nuclear powers so us support is out of question. Some 40 odd f-35s and f-15s they can send here can be countred by PAF and we can still launch raad and taimoors in retaliation from within airspace of friendly countries (saudia). But treating conventional and nuclear forces seperately is foolish because its Pakistans inherent doctrine to counter any conventional asymmetry by blurring lines of nuclear and conventional threshold
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Any talks of nuclear weapons is essentially a suicide mission.

And if Israel uses conventional force, it won't be alone and India will be alongside it. US tankers could give it enough range to launch ALBMs against targets in Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to meaningfully hit targets in Israel repeatedly?
 
Saudi would never allow Pakistan to use its bases or airspace for offensive missions against Israel against it unless Saudi itself is a primary target of Israeli aggression.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
Any talks of nuclear weapons is essentially a suicide mission.

And if Israel uses conventional force, it won't be alone and India will be alongside it. US tankers could give it enough range to launch ALBMs against targets in Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to meaningfully hit targets in Israel repeatedly?
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Your going into fantasy land now. If Israel wants to try and attack Pak they are welcome to try.
 
KAL-EL said:
What's with this almost obsession with some that think Israel is going to directly attack Pakistan? Not going to happen

Be realistic and in the real world
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Israel has no reason to become a direct target regardless of how many Arrows, slings or patriots it has because sheer probability only needs one.

It is already happy letting India be both the natural instigator and also irradiated in case things go that far.

One is mistaken somehow that zionist colonizers have any value over brown skinned people regardless of whether they are supportive of them or not.
 
Ali_Baba said:
I will remind people that with Israel’s ALBM and control of Iraqi and Syrian airspace, Israel can target locations in Pakistan better than Pakistan can to Israel.

The statement by the defence minister was unwarranted in its full form, he should correct it.
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Agree with your first paragraph, but not the second. He should stand on what he said and not back down making Pakistan look weak.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
Any talks of nuclear weapons is essentially a suicide mission.

And if Israel uses conventional force, it won't be alone and India will be alongside it. US tankers could give it enough range to launch ALBMs against targets in Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to meaningfully hit targets in Israel repeatedly?
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Like i said Pakistani policy revolves around suicide. Im not saying it would be easy, Pakistan has very little to respond with conventionaly but i already told you why us wouldnt want to give isrealis tanker support and unlike iranians we have the means to target enemy awacs and tankers. This is a pointless debate but if you’re including Indians then theres no reason hezbollah iran etc wont launch attacks as well and then theres also question of saudi def pact. It should never progress to this point but Pakistan has options
 
Optical216 said:
This khawaja should also drown In Shame. He talks like a child! Needs temperament
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What he said was fine and 100% accurate

No more liberal cuckold statements, we must embrace harshness to deal with evil

What he said was a reflection of overwhelming Pakistani public opinion
 
Ibbi32 said:
Like i said Pakistani policy revolves around suicide. Im not saying it would be easy, Pakistan has very little to respond with conventionaly but i already told you why us wouldnt want to give isrealis tanker support and unlike iranians we have the means to target enemy awacs and tankers. This is a pointless debate but if you’re including Indians then theres no reason hezbollah iran etc wont launch attacks as well and then theres also question of saudi def pact. It should never progress to this point but Pakistan has options
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Well there's a lot to agree and disagree on but I think this thread is not for that discussion plus it's likely never going to happen realistically anyway, we have a habit of overblowing certain events
 
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