Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Aziqbal]

Right, keep strait closed will bring other countries to war, but in what side?

If a coalition of countries attack Iran, strait will keep closed and Israel will keep troublemaking the zone endlessly.

If a coalition of countries stop USA and Israel, strait will be open and the zone will be in peace.

first I admire Spain after Spains stance on Palestine

UK + NATO won't use military force what can they do if $1 trillion US defence budget won't

they will probably make direct deals with Iran bypassing USA

but Israel won't stop they never have

so question is , will USA say no to Israel at some point ?

 

[Spec Ops]

The best end point for this from Iran’s view should be finally make the bomb if already has not and openly go nuclear. The current status quo cannot continue any longer if its enemies do not back off, and they will not.

Trump is a man child and only cares about his image. In the past Iran should have given him an ultimatum “ either fully pull back and release all sanctions or we’ll go nuclear whilst you’re in office”. Trump would rather have hundreds of dead Americans soldiers than be the president under whome Iran went nuclear. Iran did not do this and now look at this mess.

The Israelis cannot afford to see Iran go nuclear or watch its missile and uav program grow exponentially which is why they attacked Iran this second time around. And they will keep taking the hit every few years just to contain Iran’s programs so this issue will keep recurring unless Iran breaks the cycle and changes the equation by going nuclear.

 

[Aziqbal]

why the hell as Arya been suspended ?

Israeli accounts calling for the death of children is ok?

but a account with over 300,000 followers never even broke any rules ?

 

[Spec Ops]

why the hell as Arya been suspended ?

Israeli accounts calling for the death of children is ok?

but a account with over 300,000 followers never even broke any rules ?

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The Zionists control almost all the US media platforms so not much surprise there.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Hard effects of Hormuz strait closure hasn't come to Europe yet, just a tiny petrol prices increase, without shortage yet.

The big things is still to come. And it will arrive.

Yep - airlines have another 3 weeks left it seems.

Oil prices from start of trading tonight, will be interesting to watch.

Additionally, in Europe is now entering spring/summer where temperatures have risen and people tend to start going out alot more, travelling and sight seeing. This is typically an uptick in fuel usage, which will translate into shortages earlier as stocks are used up more quickly.

 

[BHAN85]

first I admire Spain after Spains stance on Palestine

UK + NATO won't use military force what can they do if $1 trillion US defence budget won't

they will probably make direct deals with Iran bypassing USA

but Israel won't stop they never have

so question is , will USA say no to Israel at some point ?

Will world say no to USA at some point?

World states believing and repeating USA bullshit are ridiculous.

USA elite is trolling world economy.

 

[KingQamaR]

If you think NATO is your friend, you are the one who is in dire need of reading books.


We already discussed that with other American users here and their opinions were right.
The chance of the Republicans losing the Senate is negligible because the Democrats have to flip all republican seats and get one more independent seat as well.
The Congress can only impeach the President, but the Senate will eventually remove him from power after a trial.

But even if they did, so what? Trump will be removed by the Senate and JD Vance will replace him. How's that any better for us?

There's another way: Shut down the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean to Iranian vessels. Tit-for-tat. گروکشی, as we call it in Persian.

Pakistan was the best place as the “ mediator” We have relations with China, America,& Saudis. Pakistanis are seen by Tehran as a neutral country in this, no US military bases in PAK.. So you see we had no conflict of interest. Pakistan standing was respected by all as a neutral mediator. Why talks took place in Pakistan.

 

[Aziqbal]

Will world say no to USA at some point?

World states believing and repeating USA bullshit are ridiculous.

USA elite is trolling world economy.

US has destroyed itself for Israel and its Global image

 

[ShapurII]

Pakistan was the best place as the “ mediator” We have relations with China, America,& Saudis. Pakistanis are seen by Tehran as a neutral country in this, no US military bases in PAK.. So you see we had no conflict of interest. Pakistan standing was respected by all as a neutral mediator. Why talks took place in Pakistan.

Dude, you are being insufferable.
Nobody is talking about Pakistan or her role as "the mediator". You love to insert Pakistan into the discussion even when it is absolutely irrelevant because a failed meeting was held in Islamabad. As if that's the only thing that has mattered after 40 days of war with two of the world's most powerful nuclear states!

The issue is not who mediates what. I cannot care less about who the mediator is. The mediator can be a village in Luxembourg for all I care. The issue is that the US and Iran cannot reach a lasting truce without one side accepting defeat. This is the heart of the matter. Neither Iran, nor the United States, is ready for giving up on their core demands because this war hasn't ended yet. This war is far from over to sit at the negotiating table.

We are talking about the fate of war, which can fundamentally change the region for the decades to come, not Pakistan or her role as the mediator. So, please stop being so obsessed with yourself.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Trump says US to 'blockade' Strait of Hormuz after talks failed over Iran's nuclear ambitions

Washington says it "will not impede" vessels in the Strait of Hormuz travelling to and from ports of other countries.

www.bbc.com

 

[Spec Ops]

I agree that Iran has “won” this conflict but this was done by the virtue of it denying the Americans their objective and exposing the Americans to be much weaker than the perception they had created about their power. However this is NOT enough and should not be seen enough from Iran’s point of view. Unless the Iranians have the capacity to inflict significant damage to the actual American homeland then they cannot smile. So it’s time for Iran to dispense with this moronic no nuclear weapon policy. If at this point there is still anyone in Iran who is still pushing for a no nuclear weapon policy then they are either traitors or mentally challenged so either way the IRGC should go nuclear.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why did we sign the JCPOA then? Why did we negotiate with the Trump administration twice? Didn't Khamenei say that we would never negotiate with Trump after he killed Gen. Soleimani?

If 700K bpd was bad, try 100K bpd next. And how do you want to do that by the way? Israel was hitting our railway system and roads and will continue to do the same when the war resumes. Textbook siege tactics.

Even if they don't, do you want to send our oil to China through Afghanistan? Does Afghanistan even have the infrastructural capacity for that?

You are changing the subject to many other things

It’s not right to say that nothing will enter or leave Iran with a naval blockade. That’s all

 

[brazensword]

Build da Nuke brothers. Only way to survive and be respected.

 

[KingQamaR]

Trump says US to 'blockade' Strait of Hormuz after talks failed over Iran's nuclear ambitions

Washington says it "will not impede" vessels in the Strait of Hormuz travelling to and from ports of other countries.

www.bbc.com

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Talks will continue thru the back door channels . There will be more talks Thanks to Pakistan setting up this formal meeting Very unfortunate on here we have people spouting nonsense on Pakistan role being minor. Very frustrating why did we bother at all.

 

[Spec Ops]

The Americans cannot imposed a naval blockage, they barely dared to come within a 1000km range of Iran during the conflict and were basically begging for anyone to come and help. Even if they were able to pull such a thing off and risk pulling the Chinese in the conflict then Iran would simply wipe out any production capacity of Saudis and other regional states to produce the oil. Iran has said for years that if they can’t export their oil the no one else will either.

Trump’s only options at this point is to back off. He is a malignant narcissist so can’t bare the idea of his image being ruined or not being in control so it’s hard to expect rationality from this creature.

John Mearsheimer: TRUMP'S ONLY OPTION IS SURRENDER​

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