Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[The SC]

Pan Guang is an important Chinese researcher and founder of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization Research Center
He says: China does not view Iran as the issue for which it will risk everything.

China views the region with a broader logic: the Gulf is important because it is a major energy source, the Strait of Hormuz is important because it is a sensitive route through which oil and trade pass, and any disruption in it raises prices and harms the Chinese economy. At the same time, Beijing believes that its interest is not only in linking itself to Iran, but in keeping the entire Gulf stable.

He continues.. If the Strait of Hormuz becomes turbulent or closed, the tension does not remain only within Iran, but extends to the sea near Pakistan and the port of Gwadar, raising shipping, insurance and trade risks in the entire region. Gwadar is originally a strategic port on the Arabian Sea close to the entrance to Hormuz, so any large fire in Hormuz puts direct pressure on the environment in which this corridor operates.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Thread title should be changed to " Epstein Wars ".

Under which we discuss all the wars started because of Israeli blackmailing world leaders to start their wars.

 

[Kyussis]

Where is the pride of having to ask your enemy for safe passage through your own air space?


The IRIAF and the IRIAA were the main reasons that Iran spent the last 6 years of the war mostly in the Iraqi territory, instead of fighting to take back our lands in vain.

Are you really comparing the Iraqi Air force from the 1980s to the USAF/IAF of today?

 

[Meengla]

I don't know any "Hussain Baqeri" and I prefer to accept only official sources instead of stories and tales.

Here is Hussain. He speak pretty decent Urdu except for a few slips.

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[Immortals]

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[ShapurII]

Are you really comparing the Iraqi Air force from the 1980s to the USAF/IAF of today?

What do you mean by the USAF/IAF of today?

The Iraqi Air Force in 1980s was a formidable air force of its time.

The USAF and IAF used fewer than 300 jet fighters over Iran, the bulk of which were F-15s and F-16s. They established air superiority over Iran with minimal effort and equipment.

 

[ghazi52]

Dar briefs Turkish, Saudi, Egyptian FMs on Islamabad Talks, reaffirms support for diplomacy and dialogue​

News Desk Published April 12, 2026



A combination photo of Foreign Ministers Ishaq Dar, Faisal Bin Farhaan, Badr Abdelatty and Hakan Fidan. — Reuters/ DawnNewsTV

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar on Sunday reaffirmed Pakistan’s resolve to continue supporting diplomatic efforts for sustaining dialogue and promoting peace.

His remarks came during telephonic conversations with the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Turkiye after the conclusion of US-Iran talks in Islamabad on early Sunday morning.

In a statement, the Foreign Office (FO) said that Dar had spoken with his Saudi counterpart, Prince Faisal Bin Farhaan, today and shared developments regarding the Islamabad Talks.

 

[ShapurII]

Here is Hussain. He speak pretty decent Urdu except for a few slips.

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He isn't some famous journalist in Iran. So, his word is as good as any random Iranian you meet on the internet or on a random street in Tehran.

 

[retaxis]

Pan Guang is an important Chinese researcher and founder of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization Research Center
He says: China does not view Iran as the issue for which it will risk everything.

China views the region with a broader logic: the Gulf is important because it is a major energy source, the Strait of Hormuz is important because it is a sensitive route through which oil and trade pass, and any disruption in it raises prices and harms the Chinese economy. At the same time, Beijing believes that its interest is not only in linking itself to Iran, but in keeping the entire Gulf stable.

He continues.. If the Strait of Hormuz becomes turbulent or closed, the tension does not remain only within Iran, but extends to the sea near Pakistan and the port of Gwadar, raising shipping, insurance and trade risks in the entire region. Gwadar is originally a strategic port on the Arabian Sea close to the entrance to Hormuz, so any large fire in Hormuz puts direct pressure on the environment in which this corridor operates.

Gulf oil including gulf arabs and iran only accounts for 7-8% of total China energy needs. Most is from coal power and clean energy. And China has oil pipelines into russia/central asia and deep connections in africa/brazil/venezuela etc so boost the oil as required.

So end of the day, China is definitely not risking all for something very marginal but will do everything to hurt america as much as possible without getting directly involved.

 

[Immortals]

Did he met our last prime minister? Or he wanted to gave him good completion?

He shook hands with the PM and the field marshal.

Pakistan should watch over both of them the next 2 weeks.

Vance is a powerful little devil.

 

[Kyussis]

What do you mean by the USAF/IAF of today?

The Iraqi Air Force in 1980s was a formidable air force of its time.

The USAF and IAF used fewer than 300 jet fighters over Iran, the bulk of which were F-15s and F-16s. They established air superiority over Iran with minimal effort and equipment.

The Iraqi air force during the 1980s was going up against the IRIAF that was under sanctions and the only advantage that they had over the IRIAF was quantitative. The U.S and Israel today have relied extensively of Stand off weapons hence why they are running low on JASSEM-ERs and Tomahawk LACMs. When they have flown over Iran, they have taken losses. They are only able to establish limited air superiority while having to fly in from a 1000 km away from Jordan, Saudi Barbaria or Israel with multiple in flight refuelings per sortie.

 

[Meengla]

He isn't some famous journalist in Iran. So, his word is as good as any random Iranian you meet on the internet or on a random street in Tehran.

Fair enough but neither should be words of an Iranian-Italian who denies multiple reports of Pakistani escorts of the Iranian delegates from inside the Iran through landing in Islamabad. Why is it so hard for you to believe the Pakistani escort when Iran doesn't even have an air force and when Iran is unable to protect its topmost leadership in this war?
You had above denied any Pakistani aircraft presence in Iran to help the Iranian delegates and yet you don't logically see that possibility? What is your animus toward Pakistan?!!

 

[iron shrapnel]

Hormuz conundrum

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[nervouscar]

Why not Munir Ahmad Khan? or Bhutto? or Zia? or N. Sharif?

He suffered and absorbed the hit ..major future complications averted beside his decision to return a lucrative job.most of all had the same mentality of a common muslim pakistani (didnt considered west as god appointed people ),, had a clear vision of what was to effect pakistan in future, loved by nation and was not corrupt like many others(he even donated 6million to built a hostel in GIK which he had to leave later )..munir ahmed khan was not made to suffer like aq khan..
Moreover, 500 ruppee can have edhi,1000 can have israr ahmed,100 rupee can have aga hasanabedi just my off topic 2 cents

 

[ShapurII]

The Iraqi air force during the 1980s was going up against the IRIAF that was under sanctions and the only advantage that they had over the IRIAF was quantitative.

They had a pretty decent air force. Mig-21, Mig-23, Mig-25, Mig-29, Sukhoi-22, Sukhoi-25, Sukhoi-27, Mirage F1, Super Etendard and Mirage F1. They had more than 500 jet fighters. The IRIAF stopped a formidable air force of its time, and even had superiority over them.

The U.S and Israel today have relied extensively of Stand off weapons and when they have flown over Iran, they have taken losses.

Aerial warfare has changed since late 80s. What's your point? Iran had F-14s back then, which is the equivalent of F-22s in today's warfare.

Edit: What losses, by the way? You are talking about one F-35 and F-15, after thousands of sorties over Iran. Only F-15 was shot down, by the way.