Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Watandar]

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Sounds like Iran is gonna capitulate in some fashion including many years of no enrichment in return of easily reversible sanctions relief and some access to frozen funds. No embargo removal. Maybe even no swift reintegration. A crappy deal. War could come again several years down the line when the next protests break out because economic conditions are still not great.

@Persian Gulf

@ShapurII

@Shags101

I mean using the nuke stuff as leverage for sanctions relief has been the Iranian strategy all along. Israel's number one goal is that the sanctions remain on Iran, else the country can grow rich quickly if it can sell more oil every year and it's economy is connected again to the world.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I mean using the nuke stuff as leverage for sanctions relief has been the Iranian strategy all along. Israel's number one goal is that the sanctions remain on Iran, else the country can grow rich quickly if it can sell more oil every year and it's economy is connected again to the world.

I think you explained why sanctions relief will never be offered.

 

[codeforfood]

Suppose a Chinese ship crosses the SOH, and doesn't turn back even after repeated USN warnings, what will USN do?

I think this test needs to be conducted to see the threshold. Would china do it?

 

[FHN]

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[Garcia Sea]

As long as Iran continues to negotiate weakly, the US will continue to invade indefinitely. Why don't they understand that? Negotiations only serve as a catalyst for the next invasion, and problems can only be resolved through military means. Vietnam enjoyed prosperity and peace and was no longer a target because it militarily repelled the US. Iran has been targeted for 40 years because it has continued negotiating for 40 years. It will be the same in the future; unless negotiations are broken, Iran will forever remain a target for invasion.

 

[Magi]

Very well said.


Who is this IRGC that we keep talking about? We always assume that the IRGC is an organization with a voice in the system, but is it?
Ghalibaf is a Brigadier General of the IRGC himself. He served as the Commander of IRGC Air Force for a while.

Maybe the field commanders that surprised everyone with their counter attacks. Shadow commanders, leaders of the missile force, Mousavi? Or Vahidi? Ebrahim Zolfaghari's superiors who empower him to speak as he does. I am not sure, but there exist people other than the بدیم بره reformists. Or maybe I am too optimistic.

 

[925boy]

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And no extension of the current ceasefire period!!

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Musings @RescueRanger, can you look into why @Raider 21 banned @Falcon29? We really need your help to look at why @Raider 21 is abusing his moderator privileges. He wrongfully banned me as well. He also deletes posts made by @Persian Gulf in this section.

It is insane that an American moderator is banning people from the Iranian section

And even deleting some of my posts

There are no Iranian moderators banning Americans in the American section

 

[Indos]

As long as Iran continues to negotiate weakly, the US will continue to invade indefinitely. Why don't they understand that? Negotiations only serve as a catalyst for the next invasion, and problems can only be resolved through military means. Vietnam enjoyed prosperity and peace and was no longer a target because it militarily repelled the US. Iran has been targeted for 40 years because it has continued negotiating for 40 years. It will be the same in the future; unless negotiations are broken, Iran will forever remain a target for invasion.

Vietnam is helped by both giants USSR and China with land border with China. Not the case with Iran that fight alone.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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VP of USA admits USA is engaging in economic terrorism

 

[Garcia Sea]

When Khatami disclosed the existence of uranium enrichment facilities and abandoned reprocessing and laser enrichment technologies, pressure from the West intensified dramatically, leading to the matter being referred to the UN Security Council. When Rouhani signed the JCPOA, economic sanctions against Iran were dramatically tightened, and assassinations surged. When Pezeshkian accepted permanent abandonment of uranium enrichment and inspections, Iran was exposed to full-scale aggression. Concessions only cause the other side’s demands to escalate and worsen, leading only to further war. Even a child could understand this by studying history. Iran is being dragged into an endless war by foolish reformists and mullahs who are being deceived into believing that problems can be solved through concessions and dialogue.

 

[Ravenman]

Superb message from the brilliant Persian minds to hold the negotations in Pakistan and not Turkey, Switserland, Egypt or China (the other alternatives).

The US is fighting for decades now against a nuclear Iran and Iran is inviting the US to Pakistan - a nuclear islamic nation.

It says: “Hold your horses. You are looking to not one but 2 islamic nuclear powers at this moment.”

 

[Shags101]

It is insane that an American moderator is banning people from the Iranian section

And even deleting some of my posts

There are no Iranian moderators banning Americans in the American section

Weird I never even saw this guy(or women I have heard people who I have thought were men are indeed women ) on this thread so why are people who aren’t even contributing deleting posts or banning people moderator or not

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Trump threatens Iranian attack boats in Hormuz as Netanyahu backs blockade

PM Netanyahu said on Monday that the key issue in U.S.-Iran talks is the removal of enriched uranium from Iran, adding that VP Vance promised Tehran would not have the ability to enrich uranium for the coming decades. Netanyahu also said that Israel supports the U.S. naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz announced by Trump, adding that Israel and the U.S. are fully coordinating.

After the blockade began on Monday, Trump warned that any Iranian "fast-attack" vessels approaching the strait would be "immediately eliminated." Trump is also considering "limited military strikes," the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday, citing officials and people familiar with the matter. Trump reportedly hopes such strikes will produce a breakthrough in cease-fire talks after the first round ended in a stalemate. Speaking at the White House later Monday, the president also said Iran wants to make a deal but that he will not agree to any arrangement that allows Tehran to have a nuclear weapon.

Iran's Armed Forces responded to U.S. blockade threats by vowing to implement a "permanent mechanism" to control the strait, signaling a long-term effort to assert authority over the strategic chokepoint. Iran's Defense Ministry also said Trump "will fail" in any attempt at military intervention in Hormuz. At the same time, Iranian FM Aragchi said in an X post that negotiators were "inches away" from a memorandum of understanding with the U.S., but that the Americans presented "maximalism, shifting goalposts, and blockade."

Most Israelis, meanwhile, oppose the current cease-fire with Iran and expect renewed fighting within the coming year, according to a survey by the Institute for National Security Studies. The vast majority – 76 percent – said that negotiations with the Islamic Republic will not achieve the war's objectives of dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles programs, alongside regime change.

The results of the war are mixed at best, and Israel isn't close to achieving the goals Netanyahu announced when it began on February 28. But talking points are being distributed energetically, and the foreign press is getting briefings from Jerusalem asserting that the war is likely to resume at any moment, writes Amos Harel.


Source: Haaretz

 

[Avicenna]

I know you are used to spanking the IAF but this IAF is a different breed

I believe it’s 4-0 in favor of PAF so far historically.