Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

When Khatami disclosed the existence of uranium enrichment facilities and abandoned reprocessing and laser enrichment technologies, pressure from the West intensified dramatically, leading to the matter being referred to the UN Security Council. When Rouhani signed the JCPOA, economic sanctions against Iran were dramatically tightened, and assassinations surged. When Pezeshkian accepted permanent abandonment of uranium enrichment and inspections, Iran was exposed to full-scale aggression. Concessions only cause the other side’s demands to escalate and worsen, leading only to further war. Even a child could understand this by studying history. Iran is being dragged into an endless war by foolish reformists and mullahs who are being deceived into believing that problems can be solved through concessions and dialogue.

It appears Qalibaf is trying to trade the concept of security via nuclear Enrichment to security via some type of control of the strait. They (Qalibaf + pragmatics + reformists) think the strait is more valuable than a nuclear enrichment.

Problem is after this war it is all but guaranteed that UAE/Bahrain/Kuwait/KSA/Qatar will all try to build pipelines to circumvent any Iranian control of the strait.

So then tolling the Strait becomes kind of worthless in a matter of years.

 

[pakistaniandproud]

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[Tabmachine]

It appears Qalibaf is trying to trade the concept of security via nuclear Enrichment to security via some type of control of the strait. They (Qalibaf + pragmatics + reformists) think the strait is more valuable than a nuclear enrichment.

Problem is after this war it is all but guaranteed that UAE/Bahrain/Kuwait/KSA/Qatar will all try to build pipelines to circumvent any Iranian control of the strait.

So then tolling the Strait becomes kind of worthless in a matter of years.

Any pipeline can be struck though

 

[Shags101]

Any pipeline can be struck though

I was curious but for a pipeline to totally bypass the straits would cost upwards of 300 billion dollars for all regional countries so would the cost of building something that massive be even worth it maybe for Saudis own oil at a smaller scale but all of these countries I don’t think so

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[925boy]

He thinks he is god.

I guess to low IQ and low empathy maggats he is.

 

[BigMela2onin]

So then tolling the Strait becomes kind of worthless in a matter of years.

Perhaps why they are not willing to suspend enrichment for more than a few years.

 

[Zoyou]

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[MH.Yang]

Some people still believe that a two-week ceasefire will help Israel and the United States obtain supplies, while Iran does not need a ceasefire period for supplies. I ask you, regardless of whether there is a ceasefire or not, the supply lines between the United States and Israel are unobstructed, and the ceasefire period provides very little supply assistance to them.

And Iran really needs this ceasefire period. If Iran doesn't need emergency supplies, China's four Y-20 planes won't make an emergency landing in Iran just 48 hours after the ceasefire.

Moreover, for Iran, this war is not only a military war, but also a political war. You cannot lose the legitimacy of blocking the strait, nor can you lose the world's sympathy for Iran. Even though we know that ceasefire negotiations are unlikely to succeed, Iran absolutely cannot refuse it.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Trump threatens Iranian attack boats in Hormuz as Netanyahu backs blockade

PM Netanyahu said on Monday that the key issue in U.S.-Iran talks is the removal of enriched uranium from Iran, adding that VP Vance promised Tehran would not have the ability to enrich uranium for the coming decades. Netanyahu also said that Israel supports the U.S. naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz announced by Trump, adding that Israel and the U.S. are fully coordinating.

After the blockade began on Monday, Trump warned that any Iranian "fast-attack" vessels approaching the strait would be "immediately eliminated." Trump is also considering "limited military strikes," the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday, citing officials and people familiar with the matter. Trump reportedly hopes such strikes will produce a breakthrough in cease-fire talks after the first round ended in a stalemate. Speaking at the White House later Monday, the president also said Iran wants to make a deal but that he will not agree to any arrangement that allows Tehran to have a nuclear weapon.

Iran's Armed Forces responded to U.S. blockade threats by vowing to implement a "permanent mechanism" to control the strait, signaling a long-term effort to assert authority over the strategic chokepoint. Iran's Defense Ministry also said Trump "will fail" in any attempt at military intervention in Hormuz. At the same time, Iranian FM Aragchi said in an X post that negotiators were "inches away" from a memorandum of understanding with the U.S., but that the Americans presented "maximalism, shifting goalposts, and blockade."

Most Israelis, meanwhile, oppose the current cease-fire with Iran and expect renewed fighting within the coming year, according to a survey by the Institute for National Security Studies. The vast majority – 76 percent – said that negotiations with the Islamic Republic will not achieve the war's objectives of dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles programs, alongside regime change.

The results of the war are mixed at best, and Israel isn't close to achieving the goals Netanyahu announced when it began on February 28. But talking points are being distributed energetically, and the foreign press is getting briefings from Jerusalem asserting that the war is likely to resume at any moment, writes Amos Harel.


Source: Haaretz

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This turned out to be fake news

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

As long as Iran continues to negotiate weakly, the US will continue to invade indefinitely. Why don't they understand that? Negotiations only serve as a catalyst for the next invasion, and problems can only be resolved through military means. Vietnam enjoyed prosperity and peace and was no longer a target because it militarily repelled the US. Iran has been targeted for 40 years because it has continued negotiating for 40 years. It will be the same in the future; unless negotiations are broken, Iran will forever remain a target for invasion.

North Vietnam had Soviet Union and China backing them and paying for everything they needed to wage war. Fighter jets, vehicles, artileries, small arms, ammunition, food, and medicine were all provided by the two major communist powers at the time. Their supplies through Laos were also uninterrupted.

Now, question to you, with the exception of a few Shia Arab resistance groups in Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen, do you see any major power coming to the aid of Iran?

 

[Kyussis]

A God who has compromising files with having sexual relationship with minors and much more, and is subservient to bibi. that's a weak God, I say the weakest of all time (Trump impression).

A "God" who has the hots for his daughter!

 

[PakistanLVR]

He is wrong and looking at quality of Mastankhans posts probably smoking the real stuff. who are you or him sitting at home on your comfy sofas drinking and smoking chilling to tell the resistance how to resist. How they resist is a matter for them. Israelis dont need an excuse murder. They doing same in West bank today. Gaza was and or is a prison even today,

If I was to have another boy I would call him Yahya Sinwar he will be remembered as a Muslim hero. How will Salman be remembered or that Jordanian mongrel be remembered

Casualties and fatalities are inevitable in fighting a war. You don't call those Russians defending Lenningrad in 2nd world war when millions died as giving Nazis an excuse. They were fighting for their people

Israel and US with cooperation of treacherous GCC were getting ready to sign up to the Abraham accords. The idea was ignore the Palestinians and move on.

Palestine has been on agenda and finally Israel is exposed and reviled everywhere on earth

I've tried to avoid any sectarian topic with @MastanKhan . He's either a Wahhabi or a Muslim Zionist (same differences to me).
I remembered his posts from years ago where he seemed really upset that Pakistan establishment did not send her armies to wage war against the Yemenis on behalf of the Arabs monarchies.
His reasoning were really strange - he thinks it was Obama's gift to give Pakistan the net security provider of the Persian Gulf AOR in returned for the Bin Laden raid. Why would the Americans give up such a strategic area to a non-Western country?
Its now painfully and obviously clear the US is run by the Zionists whereas before their hands were hidden. If I had to guess, these Zionist scums likely wanted Pakistan to bog down in Yemen and hopefully ignite a wider Shia-Sunni war in the region and come to blows with Iran. Pakistan wisely decided to back out of such a trap.
Another wild take of his is blaming Iran for what occurred on October 7th. From all accounts the Iranians were blinded-sided and so was Hezbollah. Hamas was never an "Iranian Proxy." It always fought for the Palestinian cause. I'm shocked that a "Muslim" would disparage them this way.
Clearly he needs to re-study proper history. Just look at the absolute horrors the Zionist scums distribute on Lebanon in 1982. There was no Hezbollah or Hamas back then. Iran was busy fighting off the Iraqi Yezidi army under that Atheist scum Saddam. There's seem to be a sizeable numbers of people like him in our community and its shocking to see them use the Zionist talking points.

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[Navid09]

Ok clearly its starting to look like most of strikes against Iran were done by stand off munitions and drones.

Some overhead bombs are being used, either by stealth planes or taking specific routes that hides them from radars.

Iran probably found some of these routes hence the higher rate of air defence successes in recent days.

Now the fact the US was willing to sacrifice so much to save this one pilot, makes one think that they are not expecting to lose much over Iran and hence would mean they don't have long term prospects for this war. I.e hoping to finish it before stand off munitions run out.

They don't have any good options, so will try any crazy thing, bomb civilian infrastructure, backchannel threats of nucleur attacks all which will fail.

Limited ground invasion doesn't make sense unless for P.R.

Trumps best option is to simply interdict iranian tankers, better option than taking kharg. Not doing so already makes one think there are heavy consequences to do so, or they are timing it.

Ok it seems up until now most of the above has held true.

The one thing is that the oil on Iranian tankers is Chinese property as it was almost certainly sold on FOB terms.

So this is gonna force China's hand, are they going to start increasing their posture against Taiwan?

Increase support for iran or some other move?