Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

MH.Yang said:
In my opinion, the blood of Palestinians has not only awakened 500 million Arabs, but also awakened all 8 billion people on Earth.

For example, in China, the support rates of Jews and Israel have completely collapsed.




The following picture shows a bird that lives in China. It is now called the Jewish bird. Do you know why?

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they share common characteristics as jews , brood paracitism........don’t build nests or raise their young, but lay eggs in other birds’ nests.
 
mythbuster said:
Worst is over , your new leadership is pragmatic... you have a bright future ahead ..stop poking your finger in every available hole , you will be fine
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I don't think they are. Honestly, I see very little change in the leadership of Iran. It seems to be the same line of thinking for the most part.

VCheng said:
The example I chose was only to illustrate what it means to be open (like SK) or closed (like NK) for Iran, that is all, with all the pros and cons of each option.

Just the redevelopment of Iran's oil industry would mean a huge economic benefit not just to the Iranian people, but to the entire global economy. Having such a huge population suddenly having the resources to utilize all sorts of other goods and services from within the country as well as from abroad would bring about an economic revolution for the entire region also.
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South Korea was offered the benefits of an alliance with the West, giving them access to Western markets and technology. Iran will never be offered such an option as long as it is not on friendly terms with Israel. Iran may try its best to improve its relations with the United States, but without Israel, it will be futile. Anti-Israel sentiments are a core part of the current system's ideology and it will not change without a regime change.

Iran did have an economic boost after the Iraq-Iran war, particularly when Mohammad Khatami became the President and Iran decided to pursue a reformist approach to mend its ties with the West. It was working quite well for us but it didn't last long, unfortunately.
 
VCheng said:
If Iran is to become like South Korea, it has to open up, and that means a huge change from its chosen path of the last half century, not just for its leadership, but also for its population at large.

Otherwise, it can choose to remain secure but isolated, like North Korea, sort of.
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I think, Iran's choices are based of the active and perceived threats by USA and Israel.
If you want Iran to change path ..........USA needs to get civilized......might is right, lae of the jungle, piracy, genocide of countries which dont submit...etc..

USA needs course correction, or end is near..

We can always " wait......
 
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I hope its true
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It is true.
Also note: From Trump's 'Unconditional Surrender' demand some days ago to now Iran retains its missile program and inventory, probably getting some billion $$ back from its frozen assets, keeping Hezbollah in the equation, AND the ability to control the Strait of Hormuz.
Wait till the dust settles and see how Trump will be roasted even by the Right in America by the likes of John Bolton.
 
What is Iran getting out of this? It seems Iran is on the short end of the bargain, and with great loss of life and infrastructure? I thought they'd recover some with the hormuz toll, but doesn't look like it.

20 billiion$ to give up nuclear power?

Unless there's some secret deal that will put Israel at a disadvantage, it looks like Iran lost the war.

And maybe China too.
 
prokhorudro said:
What is Iran getting out of this? It seems Iran is on the short end of the bargain, and with great loss of life and infrastructure? I thought they'd recover some with the hormuz toll, but doesn't look like it.

20 billiion$ to give up nuclear power?

Unless there's some secret deal that will put Israel at a disadvantage, it looks like Iran lost the war.

And maybe China too.
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iran won the war by surviving and bringing us to the table.
 
ShapurII said:
I don't think they are. Honestly, I see very little change in the leadership of Iran. It seems to be the same line of thinking for the most part.


South Korea was offered the benefits of an alliance with the West, giving them access to Western markets and technology. Iran will never be offered such an option as long as it is not on friendly terms with Israel. Iran may try its best to improve its relations with the United States, but without Israel, it will be futile. Anti-Israel sentiments are a core part of the current system's ideology and it will not change without a regime change.

Iran did have an economic boost after the Iraq-Iran war, particularly when Mohammad Khatami became the President and Iran decided to pursue a reformist approach to mend its ties with the West. It was working quite well for us but it didn't last long, unfortunately.
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If USA leaves ME and control mad dog Israel, whole region will be peaceful and can get developed..including Iran.

All oill rich countries were destroyed by USA, NOT by Iran.
Israel wants to expand not Iran.

Why entertain a false narrative of bad Iran???
 
prokhorudro said:
What is Iran getting out of this? It seems Iran is on the short end of the bargain, and with great loss of life and infrastructure? I thought they'd recover some with the hormuz toll, but doesn't look like it.

20 billiion$ to give up nuclear power?

Unless there's some secret deal that will put Israel at a disadvantage, it looks like Iran lost the war.

And maybe China too.
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The amount of frozen Iranian assets exceeds $100 billion.
Any deal that doesn't guarantee full, non-reversible sanctions relief is absolute, undeniable treason.

UndercoverJIX said:
Why entertain a false narrative of bad Iran???
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When did I?
 
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