Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakistanLVR]

Weird though right trump keeps pretending that American oil companies can cover any and all fuel related issues I’m thinking of there isn’t a grand deal in store for Iran we are going back to war in the next couple of days and let’s see what happens with the world crumbling all around us because of it

FIFA World Cup 26 is few months away I think. This will impact them multiple ways.. What a waste.

 

[925boy]

The EU had a vote on the association agreement a while back, where Hungary under Orban vetoed it. There may be a better chance to cancel the trade association agreement now.

Hungary did accidentally invite Netanyahu recently to some independence celebration, but they have now withdrawn that, they have also said they will cancel their withdrawal form the ICC and they will arrest Netanyahu if he tries to come to Hungary.

Are these the reasons(due to israeli retaliation) Orban/his party recently lost an election in hungary?

 

[PakistanLVR]

"Transit passage is a legal regime under UNCLOS Part III allowing all ships and aircraft unimpeded freedom of navigation and overflight through straits used for international navigation. It applies to transit between one part of the high seas/EEZ and another, ensuring continuous and expeditious passage that cannot be suspended by coastal states, differing from the more restrictive "innocent passage".

Key aspects of transit passage include:

• Scope: Applies to straits connecting high seas/EEZ, such as the Straits of Malacca, Gibraltar, Hormuz, and Bab-el-Mandeb."

As far as Suez Canal is concerned, the only thing that does matter is "who holds the Suez Canal".

I want all Pakistanis to think about paying the toll tax per tanker through Strait of Hormuz and be nice to Iranians as you said.

Anyway Iran will not be allowed to charge toll tax at Strait of Hormuz and US did the right thing to call out your bluff by blocking the Iranian ports.

Pakistanis like you and your boyfriend arguing about international niceties and gentlemen agreements are the reason why Muslims keep getting their as* kicked. IDGAF about any international norm or agreements. He who has power, will wield it. WTF you and the Arabs going to do about it? run to the UN?

 

[925boy]

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Lemme say this now- I think US is Trying to lure the Iranian leaders and negotiators to Pakistan for a fake 2nd round of talks in order to assassinate them, which will be way US chooses to restart its war with Iran. I also do not think US is serious about succesfully competing round 2 of negotiations with iran.

Trump has been saying a peace deal is close to signing to calm and manipulate the markets.

 

[tsunset]

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[RocketLaw]

Blockading Iranian ports is an act of war and thus a violation of the ceasefire.
Striking a commercial vessel and taking its crew hostage is an even greater violation.

Iran knows how to neutralize restrictions, how to defend its interests, and how to resist bullying.

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[KingQamaR]

Looks like Iranians are not keen on negotiations till their terms are met.....

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It’s bc idiocy and arrogance of US never ceases. Now, Iran doesn’t want another meeting good . Just before the “Peace talks” the US fires at on their ship and now reports coming out a 2nd Iranian vessel seized.You can’t trust anything US says in talks.

 

[hussain0216]

Weird though right trump keeps pretending that American oil companies can cover any and all fuel related issues I’m thinking of there isn’t a grand deal in store for Iran we are going back to war in the next couple of days and let’s see what happens with the world crumbling all around us because of it

War is likely to start again soon

Because the U.S is stuck it will attempt to FORCE Iran to open the Hormuz, through violence

It will attempt to force Iran to accept the U.S's terms through violence


It will attempt to strangle Iran through economic sanction and blockade


The vast majority of the worlds countries could not resist, but Iran in turn can keep the Hormuz shut and because it's massive it has options including targeting U.S allies like UAE and Israel



Their is no backing off now

No point in second guessing or talking about mistakes in the past or leadership issues

Iran has to be prepared to fire back and use the ceasefire time to prepare tels, missiles and drones

 

[925boy]

Looks like Iranians are not keen on negotiations till their terms are met.....

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And who can objectively blame them? They won the first round of fighting, which i think the US military understood as a foreign language it doesn't understand. US also faces more serious risks if it doesn't amiable end this war with Iran,because for one, it doesn't have and can't afford a war of attrition.
US already gave Russia, it's opponent in Euriasia,a huge bounty of $$ by unsanctioning its oil, at this critical stage in the Ukraine war.

For whatever reasons, US seems likely to lose both the Ukraine and Iran wars.

 

[Immortals]

War is back on the menu….

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[Master Chief]

Its not "having built". Its that a canal runs entirely through a sovereign territory of a country. Why on earth it should not be tolled. Even if the canal would be God made, Egypt would still be collecting tolls.

The strait of hormuz does not pass through Iran. If tolls are to be collected from straits and seas then Oman has equal rights. Then singapore and malaysia too will say that we are putting tolls over strait of malacca. Spain should apply tolls at strait of Gibraltar. Even arguing for this cause is bad. Seas belongs to all nations of the world. Whole world will engage in WW3 if neighboring countries try to tollized the choke points of global oceans.

Lastly, GCC countries will never pay tolls anyways. They will pass the cost to consumers / buyers, means higher price of oil for ordinary people. Instead thinking of tolls, Iran should pursue integration into international system and should pursue sanctions relief. I think Iran got leverage by blocking the strait, it should have exchanged that with sanctions relief but US has already countered it by blocking Iran's ports and exports. So now that card is gone. Now US says we will lift blockade once Iran open up strait.

Complete nonsense. Gibberish even.

Iran is at war and has a valid security concern over any ships transiting Hormuz. They are correct to apply a toll to compensate that concern. Nations who cause greatest risk incur a higher toll. It is all quite logical AND legal under maritime law.

Spain is not at war and has no grounds to claim security concerns. But if Britain and Spain went to war over Gibraltar, you can be sure that Spain would start applying a fee on British vessels transiting!

 

[nervouscar]

Net exporter ≠ self-sufficient

How much petroleum does the United States import and export?​

America Produces Enough Oil to Meet Its Needs, So Why Do We Import Crude?​

Will u consider occupying venezuelan oil resources as establishing self sufficiency now.(post maduro)

 

[Sal12]

Exactly. Now try again, because as I have repeatedly said, Iran has not ratified UNCLOS. Hence, Iran is not bound to respect the UNCLOS.

Does not matter if Iran has not ratified UNCLOS. Iran cannot unilaterally charge Strait of Hormuz. If Iran can charge Strait of Hormuz unilaterally then Pak, Oman, UAE, Saudia, USA, China, Combodia anyone can charge Strait of Hormuz.